Plans for a suppressor?

[94wedge]

I have a question for those of you that have made a suppressor on a form 1. I want to form 1 my own suppressor but I'm not sure what to give them for the "plans" that I need to furnish for box 4a on the form 1.

Do people really submit plans? If so how detailed are these plans? Do they just mean fill in the boxes for question 4 or do they want a seperate piece of paper with real plans?

To be honest I don't have plans to build the suppressor yet, I just want to get the paperwork in before 41F goes into effect.

The only real plan I have is to buy a tube from apogee, probably a titanium one but maybe steel. I guess I'll have to pick a caliber too.

If I do need plans would anyone be willing to post an example of what they sent in as plans? I promise I will not steal/borrow/copy the plans.

I have crayons and a straight edge to make my own plans if necessary.

 

[TonyM]

No plans for suppressors or SBR's generally.

They do require: Length, Caliber and "Model" as well as serial #.

I've heard sometimes they ask for them for DD's or AOW's but I haven't made either of those yet...

 

[94wedge]

OK that's good to hear. I guess I'll have to make a few decisions then, like the length and the caliber before I fill the form out. Thank you very much TonyM.

 

[sniperdoc]

No "drawings" required, but you will need an overall length and (largest) caliber, as well as a serial number (your name/initials & 001).

 

[94wedge]

No "drawings" required, but you will need an overall length and (largest) caliber, as well as a serial number (your name/initials & 001).

For the caliber, do I need to be specific, like 45 ACP or can I just put .45?

I'm still not sure what caliber I want to make it. I'm thinking of using 45 acp or .45 for the caliber and having several different end caps with different size holes. For example a .45 end cam, 9 mm end cap and maybe a .22 end cap. That would be OK to do right?

 

[TonyM]

For the caliber, do I need to be specific, like 45 ACP or can I just put .45?

I'm still not sure what caliber I want to make it. I'm thinking of using 45 acp or .45 for the caliber and having several different end caps with different size holes. For example a .45 end cam, 9 mm end cap and maybe a .22 end cap. That would be OK to do right?

For caliber, just the number, like .45 is fine.

As a form 1 builder, only one end cap as well. It's a long story, but basically unless you're licensed and can get a variance, only one end cap/ mount/ baffle stack/ etc. So make a .45 can, and then just accept that there will be a little more gas escaping from the larger end hole.

 

[94wedge]

For caliber, just the number, like .45 is fine.

As a form 1 builder, only one end cap as well. It's a long story, but basically unless you're licensed and can get a variance, only one end cap/ mount/ baffle stack/ etc. So make a .45 can, and then just accept that there will be a little more gas escaping from the larger end hole.

OK, so just one of everything. I can live with that, that means I can spend more time designing the baffle.

Out of curiosity. What should I do with parts that I mess up or change? Like if I mess up a baffle or an end cap, or design a new baffle. Is there a specific procedure to destroy it or can I just recycle/throw away the material?

 

[ChuckB]

As a maker, not a manufacturer, you cannot repair the can. Once it is made, it is made. Repairs can only be made by a manufacturer according to current BATFE ruling.

Sucks, and is what kept me from form 1'ing a can.

 

[TonyM]

OK, so just one of everything. I can live with that, that means I can spend more time designing the baffle.

Out of curiosity. What should I do with parts that I mess up or change? Like if I mess up a baffle or an end cap, or design a new baffle. Is there a specific procedure to destroy it or can I just recycle/throw away the material?

There are parts of it that are grey area, but generally held is that you can re-make a part that you messed up on, (cut through the skirt on a baffle, miss-threaded an end cap etc) destroying the 'screw up' but you cannot replace any parts once the can is complete.

So, if the screw up made the part unserviceable before the completion of the can, then you can make a replacement and destroy the screw up, but if it just doesn't 'perform' as well as you'd like, then there's no room in the law for repairing the can by replacing serviceable parts.

 

[sniperdoc]

As a maker, not a manufacturer, you cannot repair the can. Once it is made, it is made. Repairs can only be made by a manufacturer according to current BATFE ruling.

Sucks, and is what kept me from form 1'ing a can.

Yes, that part of the "law" sucks. One is trusted enough to build and possess a silencer, but not to repair it.

 

[sniperdoc]

Technically, ATF controls NFA Items by Regulations, as only Congress has the power to make Laws.

 

[94wedge]

Just so I understand this before I spend my hard earned $200 on a stamp and a paperweight...


Say I'm building my suppressor, it's almost complete it just needs an end cap. I'm making the end cap and I screw up the threading on it. I can destroy that end cap and make a new one?


I make the new end cap and the threads are perfect on it. I put the end cap on the suppressor and It's a complete usable suppressor.


Then I'm out shooting and I strip the threads on the suppressor by tightening it too much. I can not replace the end cap and the suppressor becomes unusable?


I know it's a silly scenario but that's how it would go if that happened?

 

[sniperdoc]

As I understand it, during construction, you can fix a screwup; it's not "complete".
If you break it after firing, you have to send it to a licensed Manufacturer for repair.

I'm not an attorney or manufacturer.

 

[TonyM]

As I understand it, during construction, you can fix a screwup; it's not "complete".
If you break it after firing, you have to send it to a licensed Manufacturer for repair.

This.

Once complete, the suppressor can be repaired, but only by a licensed manufacturer. But there would only be the cost of repair, no new stamps (unless they had to completely replace the tube)

 

[94wedge]

OK, sounds like I have more to think about than I initially thought, thanks for the info you all.