RIP SABRE?

tlk

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1k for the stripped lower all day. Would probably even do $1500. And I already have an m16 rr. I think the market for the khimera is larger than you might expect. It's a SABRE, minus the proprietary everything, minus the rediculous disassembly procedure, minus the shady company behind it, minus about half the weight and minus about half the cost. Personally I think it would be huge. If Marty makes it undoubtedly the khimera will run like a top. If it can be done without a hole in the receiver then you've got a game changer. One that will drag down M16 prices and probably run up macs.

My guess on the volume would be easily hundreds in the first year with a hole required. Without the hole, you'd be selling them as fast as you can make em for years to come.
 

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The trick is simplifying things as much as possible and finding a machinist who's willing to work with you on the G-Code generation aspect. The Khimera pic in this thread is of an early design. The project has been simplified a bit already. But there's still a long ways to go. And I'm just too busy these days to even think about it. It would be cool. The market would be limited, of course. But if one could keep the price of the upper way down--and rely as much as possible on M16 parts--I think that would open the market up to many more M-11/NINE owners.

I have a full machine shop and operators that would do the CAM work for free. And I would eat the machine time. I imagine there are others out there besides me.

Feel free to PM me.

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Please make this happen. The Khimera would be awesome! I am another guy who only owns a Mac so this is right up my alley! If this becomes reality, I will be in for one.
 

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Whoa whoa whoa, who's saying it costs that much to take a drawing to g-code? I can take drawings and convert them to g-code with an app I have. Only "work" to it would be setting up your tooling.
 

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Man, I just bought a RR M16 and I already own an M10 Sabre, but make this affordable and adaptable and I might just pick one up anyway. :)

I'm pretty sure we are stuck with the hole though. If it needs to work with DI AR-15/M16 parts, you need the buffer tube, plus you are way more likely to get ATF approval with one, as the SABRE already proved.

Not that it matters to me, since my M10 already has the hole now.
 

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I'm pretty sure we are stuck with the hole though. If it needs to work with DI AR-15/M16 parts, you need the buffer tube, plus you are way more likely to get ATF approval with one, as the SABRE already proved.

There are so many brilliant minds here, I'm confident someone will figure it out. When they do, as mentioned, it will be a true game changer for the MAC family of firearms.
 

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My :2cents: The hole in the lower is not a serious issue and as others have pointed out it would be unlikely to pass Tech Branch scrutiny without some mechanism which would limit its functioning to a modified M10/M11 lower. Even with one it might be a tough sell considering the present political climate.

The only reason I didn't spring for a SABRE was the unnecessarily elaborate nature of the design, and the myriad little screws required for assembly/disassembly. Boy, did I get hammered for those opinions when it first came out. As months wore on and reports of other problems arose it confirmed my decision.

A unique upper receiver which uses off-the-shelf AR-15 barrel/barrel extensions, can be field-stripped with ease, and has as many off-the-shelf internals as feasible - especially those prone to breakage, like bolts - would be a stone-cold winner. Select fire capability would be the absolute minty tits.

Price would be dictated by cost plus profit so that should not be the primary consideration, though the lower the price the more units which will sell initially. I say "initially" because the price of a RR, a RDIAS, and even lightning links continue to soar, and when you could have an M10 or M11 upper that would be similar to an M16 for a 10th or even a 5th of the cost of an automatic 5.56 weapon system then a loftier price would become less of a roadblock.

$2,000.00 is probably the tipping point for a lot of folks here, but $3K for something that fits the above requirements would still sell more than enough to pay for all tooling and manufacturing costs plus some profit in the first 9 months. After that the profitability would only increase.

It would probably end up being as game-changing as Richard Lage's MAX series of uppers - and that is speaking volumes.

So...please design, build, and mass manufacture this dream so we can all be happy, the extant supply of 5.56 in the world will dwindle, and you can be filthy rich.
 

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I am in for at least one should someone make one. Either M10 or M11/9 or both. Don't care about hole drilled or not. <$2000 I buy at least one <$1300 Ill buy two immediately; hope that helps on price point. 300 blackout a must option, Ill buy optional barrel if its easily/moderately interchangeable with 556 barrel, sorta like a ar-15 upper removal of the barrel nut. Adjustable gas block for suppressor tuning.
 

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This upper would require the hole too. Its not big deal, anybody would fix the hole by replacing the back plate for <$200.


I have not seen this thread but I too would be interested. The reason I didn't buy the SABRE was because of the need to drill a hole in the rear plate.
 
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