SAR Show In Phoenix

[THM7]

The guy selling $399 stripped colt lowers was "Specilized Armaments" and yes he has always been proud of his stuff..I bought a overpriced H3 buffer from him so he did some business (I needed one). But your right Chet, just depended how much you wanted to sell your inventory. I did see Shaquille O'Neal (sp) in the SAR building on Sun...thought that was neat that he is a C3 guy.

 

[RoverDave]

I did see Shaquille O'Neal (sp) in the SAR building on Sun...thought that was neat that he is a C3 guy.

I wonder who he voted for. Would have been a good question to ask him.

 

[SHURESHOT]

I didn't bother going heard I didn't miss much, like over priced 1911 .22 conversions thm7

 

[cookie]

It was great seeing everyone at the show, and special thanks to Ben Dover for the beer!

One question though: Why were RoverDave and JMacken37 hugging? :sogay

 

[Jmacken37]

Cookie is just jealous that I moved in on RD when he wasn't looking...

I had a great time at the show and was majorly bummed that I missed the UT guys at their dinner out.

What great fun to meet Tom Bowers, Dr. Dater, Dan Shea (ok, he wasn't all that fun), and a bunch of others.

I met a bunch of UT folks that I've seen post, but haven't connected with a face.

I'd really encourage those of you that haven't made it to an UT shoot to come on out.

I listened in with RD and Cookie on a fascinating lecture by an older gentleman who seemed to know the Solothurn rifle forwards and back.

I thought the show was great.

Jake

 

[cookie]

...

I listened in with RD and Cookie on a fascinating lecture by an older gentleman who seemed to know the Solothurn rifle forwards and back.

...

He was making that shit up.

 

[Destiny]

Not one word on the pile of Registered B&G Uzi bolts in mini and full sized 9mm and a full sized 45.... all full auto for 5K each eh...

Guess I was the only one that spotted them.

Destiny

 

[RoverDave]

Not one word on the pile of Registered B&G Uzi bolts in mini and full sized 9mm and a full sized 45.... all full auto for 5K each eh...

Guess I was the only one that spotted them.

Destiny

I assume you're talking about the ones on the north end of the SAR building. They weren't B&G. They were registered by someone in AZ. I know several of us spotted them. Other than the large number of them, they were not too remarkable. The price seemed typical for just a bolt.

 

[hdmyg8586]

I found that connector you were looking for
Cindy, is this the thing you were looking for?
www.liangdianup.com/computeraccessories_1.htm
It's on the list of computer accessories and parts. They have the DVI video thing to convert that jap monitor to work with your other computer. Just about any other kind of wire adaptor, usb connectors, monitor extension wires, ps2 extention wires, and all kinds of female and male swap connectors and things that I think would help your shop. If that above link don't work then goto www.lducompany.com and click on computer accessories. Let me know if that is what you need and give me your email address again.

 

[Ben Dover]

Same time next year? :hyper




The first round's on me. :beer

 

[Destiny]

Hmmmm

Now I'm currious... wonder what the "B&G" and a serial number stood for on top of those mini bolts if they wern't the B&G that I'm thinking of.... The AZ Dealers initials were HK... an old school FFL that doesn't do the net....

Oh well... guess I'm wrong oke


Destiny

 

[RoverDave]

Now I'm currious... wonder what the "B&G" and a serial number stood for on top of those mini bolts if they wern't the B&G that I'm thinking of.... The AZ Dealers initials were HK... an old school FFL that doesn't do the net....

Oh well... guess I'm wrong oke


Destiny

The Mini Bolts must have been B&B if that's how they were marked. I was looking at the big pile of full sized bolts. Those were not B&G. The HK converted bolt were odd looking with the blocking bar channel cut square instead of round. I've seen it done that way before but it still looks odd.

 

[Jmacken37]

Same time next year? :hyper




The first round's on me. :beer

You better get your A$$ down to UT6 (or whatever number we are up to now). Don't piss of Dave by not showing...he's got guns from what I hear.

Jakie pooh

 

[Ben Dover]

Dave promises to give us plenty of time to plan for UT6.

I'm looking forward to that, for sure!

 

[Z06]

Thanks again Ben. And it was fun to see some of the gang for dinner. If Obama doesn't outlaw fun, we will do it again next year.

 

[prebans]

Same here, Pete. Thanks for the margarita! Now I know that if I ever have any firearm related question I'll ask Mike a.k.a. PreBans first - what an encyclopaediac mind! And for such a young whippersnapper, too! I'm just sorry I didn't have the opportunity to buy drinks or something for Cookie and Dave...maybe because I'm too cheap. We really appreciate what you fellows have done for the Title II community as a whole, not just the Uzi crowd. :clap :clap :clap

The SAR show itself is probably going to go down as a disappointment from the vendors perspective - a lot of looky-looing and not as much cash changing hands. The rest of the Crossroads of the West gun show taking part in other areas of the Veterans Coliseum complex was a not unexpected but nonetheless disappointing experience from the buyers perspective in most spots. I saw so many simple cleaning supplies, piece parts, accessories, and firearms with asking prices 1.5X to 4X the normal retail price, never mind a wholesale price, that I spent only 15 minutes or so in areas where I would usually spend whole afternoons. Sad to see.

I saw fewer people walking around with wrapped-up, just purchased rifles than at any previous gun show. I guess the economy is truly in the toilet and it's hitting everyone everwhere.

One bright spot worth noting is the Model One Sales display in the SAR building had everything that one would normally expect to see, and the prices were pre-election!!! That was the only vendor who got my money and I was happy to give it to them. They didn't even charge tax! When everyone else had dry pens from all the marking up they were doing Model One Sales was staying true to their customer base. They are worth supporting. :thumbs_up

Well, thank you!

I predicted - and was more than half wrong - that this would be a great show for sales. Here's my view as a vendor and as a floor walker:

1. MG prices are indeed in the toilet. When Kent Lomont can't sell any one of THREE Macs (M11/9 and M10/9) for $3k each, there's a problem. However, I do know that somebody bought a transferrable Vickers and word is that someone sold a post-86 Minigun. Less expensive stuff (SBR, SBS, SI, etc.) apparently did move okay when they were priced right.

2. Vendors screwed themselves by going beyond an "Obama scare" markup and going into "all future transfers are banned ala California 01/01/00" markup. They could have been 10% over MSRP and things would've sold. Unfortunately, I saw some stuff 50%+ over MSRP. People are scared and want to buy, but they're not stupid and the economy (especially in AZ) blows.

3. Ammo and reloading components flew off the shelves.

4. Parts and mags flew off the shelves.

Bottom line / lesson to be learned: It's okay to make some extra scratch but don't be greedy.

My haul:

Two Uzi receivers in the white;
One Jap WW2 Nambu pistol;
One High Standard Model B pistol;
Fifty Mosin Nagant rifles;
One Benelli 14" factory SBS (restricted as a pre-sample);
One Gem-Tech OutBack II suppressor to be donated to a local range for a raffle;
One Walther P22 with factory lazer for rentals;
One 57mm Recoilless Rifle shell;
One 81mm mortar baseplate;
Partial set of mortar legs w/ adjustment mechanism;
One Jap 99 LMG complete bolt;
One Jap 99 LMG brass catcher;
"Military Rifles of Japan" book;
Two Machinegun News issues;
One Lafayette mount (MG-42 AA tripod);
Few hundred rounds of Talon .50 BMG (incendiary and tracer);
Few hundred G3 mags;
One hundred AGP Saiga-12 mags;
Half a dozen AR15 mags;
One Glock .45acp 30 round mag;
Four Beretta M9/92 mags;
One Beretta 92 threaded barrel;
One Ruger 10/22 threaded barrel;
One Walther P22 1/2x28 adapter;
One Colt 1911 factory box and papers;
Four G3 mag pouches;
Various swag (t-shirts, posters, bumperstickers, etc.)

My car was full on the way back, but it was well worth it! The UziTalk dinner was also a wonderful time-- it was great seeing everybody!

Mike

 

[prebans]

Now I'm currious... wonder what the "B&G" and a serial number stood for on top of those mini bolts if they wern't the B&G that I'm thinking of.... The AZ Dealers initials were HK... an old school FFL that doesn't do the net....

Oh well... guess I'm wrong oke


Destiny

Dang! I had hoped to meet you!

Mike

 

[prebans]

Different vendors, different stories I guess...two of the Title II vendors I talked to had a total of two gun sales each by close-of-business Saturday and one guy had sold exactly one MG for Friday and Saturday. Maybe Sunday was good for them.

The prices in the SAR building were better than the prices I saw in the other halls. Century Arms were asking higher-than-usual for their inventory but I didn't try to bargain so I can't say if I could have gotten a deal or not. Arsenal Inc. is always high at the show so that's no measure, I guess. DPMS always sells a snotload - I didn't look at their prices but I wouldn't expect them to be outrageous. The guy selling stripped Colt lowers for $399.00? I didn't see anyone crowding that table.

Perceptions of the same event are different with different people. The show was big and neat to experience. I hope it was a success from the majority of the vendors viewpoints - they're the guys keeping these things going. Travel/shipping costs and the cost of tables isn't peanuts.

I also want to see what Jmacken thinks of that oddball 5.56x45mm Australian assault rifle he bought. It was truly unique looking - sort of an unholy offspring from a marriage of an AR15 and an HK53. I would have bought it if he hadn't. At least it's still in the 'family'...that's the sort of thing I go to the shows for; the unique firearm for a great deal that makes you feel smug and excited inside as you walk it to your car.

JMacken, did you pick up that SAP?

One of my clients bought a SAP Pistol and did a SBR. He's actually a Resident Alien from Australia*- he's got the rifle, the pistol, and his SBR.

*Yup, Resident Aliens can do NFA!

Not sure on parts availability, but they sure do generate interest on the range. Please let me know how it shoots!

Mike

 

[416Rich]

My haul:

Two Uzi receivers in the white;
One Jap WW2 Nambu pistol;
One High Standard Model B pistol;
Fifty Mosin Nagant rifles;
One Benelli 14" factory SBS (restricted as a pre-sample);
One Gem-Tech OutBack II suppressor to be donated to a local range for a raffle;
One Walther P22 with factory lazer for rentals;
One 57mm Recoilless Rifle shell;
One 81mm mortar baseplate;
Partial set of mortar legs w/ adjustment mechanism;
One Jap 99 LMG complete bolt;
One Jap 99 LMG brass catcher;
"Military Rifles of Japan" book;
Two Machinegun News issues;
One Lafayette mount (MG-42 AA tripod);
Few hundred rounds of Talon .50 BMG (incendiary and tracer);
Few hundred G3 mags;
One hundred AGP Saiga-12 mags;
Half a dozen AR15 mags;
One Glock .45acp 30 round mag;
Four Beretta M9/92 mags;
One Beretta 92 threaded barrel;
One Ruger 10/22 threaded barrel;
One Walther P22 1/2x28 adapter;
One Colt 1911 factory box and papers;
Four G3 mag pouches;
Various swag (t-shirts, posters, bumperstickers, etc.)

My car was full on the way back, but it was well worth it! The UziTalk dinner was also a wonderful time-- it was great seeing everybody!

Mike

WOW!! you did do well
You had an early Christmas.Good work!

The American 180 metal drum I bought at the SAR show ,actually works in my 180.At least when the subgun is clean.The plastic mags seem to jam the gun up.

 

[Vegas SMG]

The American 180 metal drum I bought at the SAR show, actually works in my 180.At least when the subgun is clean.

Why yes it does! BTW, I hope you're shooting your FS Uzi at next month's match.
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