Stemple 76/45 info

[jolague]

hey guys...just thought you might want to know (especially if you are new to the stemple) I am setting up a website soon devoted to the stemple, and I shot a video this weekend that shows how to shoot AND field strip the stemple for cleaning.... here it is: http://youtu.be/lTFw4qKHfRY

Hey Ruger22. Nice video and thank you for your contribution to the Stemple 76/45 community. As tool room guns there is not a lot of information in regard to parts, design, maintenance, and so on. Stemple owners have to make due, but improvements are in reach. Chase, forgot to ask, which version of the Stemple did you get? There are MKI-MKIVs as I understand. Regardless, most Stemples need a trigger job as I did mine. Now it is easy to pull of singles (in 9mm) without a hitch. Ruger, I recommend you have your magwell redone to the spec of a Standard grease gun magcatch. That way it accepts unmodified gg mags and locks into and stays in place until you release the mag release.

 

[chas8008]

Hey Ruger22. Nice video and thank you for your contribution to the Stemple 76/45 community. As tool room guns there is not a lot of information in regard to parts, design, maintenance, and so on. Stemple owners have to make due, but improvements are in reach. Chase, forgot to ask, which version of the Stemple did you get? There are MKI-MKIVs as I understand. Regardless, most Stemples need a trigger job as I did mine. Now it is easy to pull of singles (in 9mm) without a hitch. Ruger, I recommend you have your magwell redone to the spec of a Standard grease gun magcatch. That way it accepts unmodified gg mags and locks into and stays in place until you release the mag release.

I do not know, I will post some photos later,
As for the mags, I thought they took reg GG mags, no?

 

[jolague]

I do not know, I will post some photos later,
As for the mags, I thought they took reg GG mags, no?

Chas, it depends on your Stemple version if it will take reg or modified GG mags. Those that take modified GG mags often convert them to accept reg mags by altering the magcatch. Early and later versions have mag catches to accept reg GG mags, but the ones in between (MKII version) did not.

Moreover, I had a trigger job done on mine and it is nice and smooth for "flicking" singles. I even had the lower redone and got rid of the pop-rivets for c-clips.

 

[chas8008]

Well it looks like I have a one that take Modded GG Mags,
The Trigger is nice 7-8lbs??

What Verison is mine?
How do I mod the gun to take Reg GG Mags?

And is the mag catch factory?

Thanks

 

[strobro32]

Congrats!

That mag catch does not appear to be done like any of the ones I've seen. The mag catch components are more expensive, higher quality and a different finish than the other parts. I think it is not original. The unmodified GG mag catches look like the ones on the GG.

I eventually will be getting a very early # Stemple. Mine is kind of a Franken-beast too. It has some unique features that I have not found on other Stemple guns. It's like John Stemple played a bit with parts and configurations of lots of guns like ARs, Stens, Sweedish Ks, GGs and S&W 76s until he arrived at the 76/46 that we have come to know.

 

[chas8008]

Thanks, it my not be pretty but she in mine and has a stamp!!!

My Mag catch is ugly as sin but smooth. I hope to try her out on the 4th of July

 

[jolague]

Strobro is right. As is pictured the early (first) models possessed the mag catch necessary to take reg GG mags. Judging by the pictures your lower has been modified with a padel release so as not to have to deal with "nub" release. It looks like an improvement in that regard but it will still only take modified mags. Your version, Chas, is the more common MKII.

 

[STL/NERDS]

I can't seem to find any of the pics of the mag release I made featured in this review by Toad about 9 years ago, no alteration to the weapon what so ever, just hack the top of a socket head cap screw off, mill 2 flats, drill for a roll pin and attach an L shaped piece of round stock, real easy and works well.
Found the pic, this was the prototype, I later machined the lower portion of the release flat. It really worked well, when you grab the mag and release with your thumb the mag would pull right out, very fast and easy compared to the original design.

Posted By: Toad
Date: 4/22/03 17:47

In Response To: Hey, what's a stemple? and what do they cost? (curious george... no text)

They are full-auto only (no safety or selector) and they run between $1400-$2000 depending on condition/accessories/version.

I have included my standard Stemple review for your edification.

Ok, this is my canned response to people who ask about the Stemple 76/45. I would like to add that at this point, it doesn't look like Jim Burgess will be making any more Stemple 76/45s. Jim Burgess was planning on using the remaining registered/transferable tubes to build an exact clone of the S&W 76 in 9mm. I think this is pending ATF approval and also, there is pending litigation between Burgess and John Stemple-who is trying to get his tubes back.

Every so often, people ask for info on the Stemple 76/45 on various gun boards (Bowers, Sturmgewehr, etc.) and you will see various responses. On the most part, the posts are positive with regards to performance and value and somewhat negative with regard to aesthetics and ergonomics. Here is what I usually post-I have had my Stemple since around October of 1999. My Stemple is what would be considered a Burgess MK1, he is now selling the MK3. The MK3 model comes with the new, lighter trigger, the sliding wire stock and an AR-15 pistol grip and has an option of a weaver rail mounted on top of the receiver. It also uses UNMODIFIED grease gun mags-and thus has a better mag release. The MK3 mods have corrected most of the issues in this review.

My Stemple has been almost 100% reliable (mostly with lead SWC reloads). The only problem I have had was a magazine problem that was the result of a poorly converted magazine-which was 100% my fault. I cut the horizontal slot in the mag too high (or perhaps it is too wide) because that mag doesn't sit high enough in the mag well. I can hold the mag and push it up into the magwell and it works fine. All of my other mags work 100%. I have seen people complain about the wobbly stock and badly aligned sights. My gun doesn't suffer these problems-the stock is firm enough for me and my gun is fairly accurate. It could be some of the older guns had misaligned sights, but maybe Jim has fixed this with the newer guns. The gun is built quite sturdily, the bolt is a beautifully machined big hunk of steel.
A 9mm conversionis available and supposedly a .22lr conversion will be offered
sometime in the future (I'll believe it when I see it).

The gun won't win any beauty contests, that is for sure. The outward appearance is quite crude, with aluminum pop rivets and allen head button screws holding it together. The only real problem that takes some getting used to is the mag release. First of all, it is too small-it comes from the factory as just a nub (actually it is a allen head screw. I made it better by installing a longer allen head screw and securing it with some loctite(make sure you don't screw it in too far or it will bind and the mag release will not function at all. The second problem with the mag release is that it is not intuitive or ergonomic at all because you pull it back to release the mag. In order to release the mag and remove it with your hand-you need to use both hands. I solve this problem by just letting the mags drop free(I have a ton of grease gun mags-and they are tough). Somebody on Bowers board (STL Tactical, I believe) came up with an ingenious idea of a "paddle" type mag release that is actually a "L" shaped piece of aluminum the pivots on the mag well so when you push forward on the bottom piece it pushes backward on the mag release. The corner of the "L" is what is resting against the vertical plane of the magwell. It is hard to explain-the picture makes it all very clear, you can see it at:

http://home.houston.rr.com/toadspage/stemple.jpg

All in all I think the Stemple 76/45 is one of the best values in the Class 3 world-especially now with the MK3 mods-and the prices are only going up.

The Stemple also has some potential for custom projects like
installing a red dot sight on the barrel shroud or perhaps installing a CAR collapsing stock...

Of course since I wrote this review Jim Burgess has begun offering the 76/45 with a weaver rail and also a collapsing wire stock similar to a Grease Gun stock.

 

[chas8008]

I can't seem to find any of the pics of the mag release I made featured in this review by Toad about 9 years ago, no alteration to the weapon what so ever, just hack the top of a socket head cap screw off, mill 2 flats, drill for a roll pin and attach an L shaped piece of round stock, real easy and works well.
Found the pic, this was the prototype, I later machined the lower portion of the release flat. It really worked well, when you grab the mag and release with your thumb the mag would pull right out, very fast and easy compared to the original design.

Posted By: Toad
Date: 4/22/03 17:47

In Response To: Hey, what's a stemple? and what do they cost? (curious george... no text)

They are full-auto only (no safety or selector) and they run between $1400-$2000 depending on condition/accessories/version.

I have included my standard Stemple review for your edification.

Ok, this is my canned response to people who ask about the Stemple 76/45. I would like to add that at this point, it doesn't look like Jim Burgess will be making any more Stemple 76/45s. Jim Burgess was planning on using the remaining registered/transferable tubes to build an exact clone of the S&W 76 in 9mm. I think this is pending ATF approval and also, there is pending litigation between Burgess and John Stemple-who is trying to get his tubes back.

Every so often, people ask for info on the Stemple 76/45 on various gun boards (Bowers, Sturmgewehr, etc.) and you will see various responses. On the most part, the posts are positive with regards to performance and value and somewhat negative with regard to aesthetics and ergonomics. Here is what I usually post-I have had my Stemple since around October of 1999. My Stemple is what would be considered a Burgess MK1, he is now selling the MK3. The MK3 model comes with the new, lighter trigger, the sliding wire stock and an AR-15 pistol grip and has an option of a weaver rail mounted on top of the receiver. It also uses UNMODIFIED grease gun mags-and thus has a better mag release. The MK3 mods have corrected most of the issues in this review.

My Stemple has been almost 100% reliable (mostly with lead SWC reloads). The only problem I have had was a magazine problem that was the result of a poorly converted magazine-which was 100% my fault. I cut the horizontal slot in the mag too high (or perhaps it is too wide) because that mag doesn't sit high enough in the mag well. I can hold the mag and push it up into the magwell and it works fine. All of my other mags work 100%. I have seen people complain about the wobbly stock and badly aligned sights. My gun doesn't suffer these problems-the stock is firm enough for me and my gun is fairly accurate. It could be some of the older guns had misaligned sights, but maybe Jim has fixed this with the newer guns. The gun is built quite sturdily, the bolt is a beautifully machined big hunk of steel.
A 9mm conversionis available and supposedly a .22lr conversion will be offered
sometime in the future (I'll believe it when I see it).

The gun won't win any beauty contests, that is for sure. The outward appearance is quite crude, with aluminum pop rivets and allen head button screws holding it together. The only real problem that takes some getting used to is the mag release. First of all, it is too small-it comes from the factory as just a nub (actually it is a allen head screw. I made it better by installing a longer allen head screw and securing it with some loctite(make sure you don't screw it in too far or it will bind and the mag release will not function at all. The second problem with the mag release is that it is not intuitive or ergonomic at all because you pull it back to release the mag. In order to release the mag and remove it with your hand-you need to use both hands. I solve this problem by just letting the mags drop free(I have a ton of grease gun mags-and they are tough). Somebody on Bowers board (STL Tactical, I believe) came up with an ingenious idea of a "paddle" type mag release that is actually a "L" shaped piece of aluminum the pivots on the mag well so when you push forward on the bottom piece it pushes backward on the mag release. The corner of the "L" is what is resting against the vertical plane of the magwell. It is hard to explain-the picture makes it all very clear, you can see it at:

http://home.houston.rr.com/toadspage/stemple.jpg

All in all I think the Stemple 76/45 is one of the best values in the Class 3 world-especially now with the MK3 mods-and the prices are only going up.

The Stemple also has some potential for custom projects like
installing a red dot sight on the barrel shroud or perhaps installing a CAR collapsing stock...

Of course since I wrote this review Jim Burgess has begun offering the 76/45 with a weaver rail and also a collapsing wire stock similar to a Grease Gun stock.

Thanks Nerd,

My Mag release is very function follows form. It is the best part of the gun IMHO.

That is a good write up...

 

[osprey21]

Cool, Please post up the website soon.


My Stemple is getting delevered tomorrow...

Are you going to bring it to Hernando?

 

[chas8008]

Are you going to bring it to Hernando?

haha, O21.

I told you I am bringing EVERYTHING!!

 

[cal50]

Some Stemple mods.......


http://fwd4.me/04uS

 

[chas8008]

Some Stemple mods.......


http://fwd4.me/04uS

You are a craftsmen

 

[STL/NERDS]

Cal 50 Nice work! really nice.. that's what they should have started out as..

 

[cal50]

Thx guys!

Stemple did the hard part (registered receiver tube).
We have to do the rest.....

Its a good starting point for a MG and only limited by your ideas and metal working skills.
More ideas only helps everyone.