Sterling Sighting

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Well my Sterling is giving me fits, my bad eyes cannot pick up the back sight at all, the folding stock is just too short. I can hold it out further and I can see the bk st much better. I have looked all over for a MK VII butt stock with some spacers but have not been able to find a set

My second choice would be to use the rail studs on the gun for a small holosight or utilize a mount that M60 Joe sells which is mounted further forward which would be okay for me.

Any help would be appreciated. I really want to shoot the Sterling without optics but the last match was a tits up complete catastrophe.
 

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John C

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Good luck on getting all of the Mk7 buttstock parts. The special endcap is probably going to be near impossible to source. A lot of folks are looking for these. As regards sighting, you may wish to locate a Mk5 rear sight. These have a ring of holes and a center hole not just a center hole. I think I read somewhere that it may help you focus.

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If you have a connection in England, have them contact Hellston Gunsmiths. They still have the stock you picture, and the spacers, if that's what you're after. They have NO buttstock endpieces- that you may find an acceptable substitute at a gun show for; NOR endcaps that fit the units to the guns - I've tried to get KGB or Rich at Wiselite to dabble in these.
If you have no luck, let me know and I MIGHT be able to assist with the stock & pull spacers...
 

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0331 said:
Well my Sterling is giving me fits, my bad eyes cannot pick up the back sight at all, the folding stock is just too short. I can hold it out further and I can see the bk st much better. I have looked all over for a MK VII butt stock with some spacers but have not been able to find a set

My second choice would be to use the rail studs on the gun for a small holosight or utilize a mount that M60 Joe sells which is mounted further forward which would be okay for me.

Any help would be appreciated. I really want to shoot the Sterling without optics but the last match was a tits up complete catastrophe.


Andy @ KGB Arment has some cool red dot mounts for the Sterling..look him up he is know as Uzi talk member L34a1...
 

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I have tried to contact Helstons gunsmithing by email for a couple of weeks with no luck. I remember the first thing chili 17 told me when I decided to get a MK 4.... "Get a butt stock and spacers for it". I should have listened to him.

Thanks for the info Doug. I will contact Andy asap.
 

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For reasons I can't fathom...Helston's won't export. So...that's why I mentioned the necessity for a contact overseas. That's how I came by the one I've got. Again, if you're really stuck...I MAY be able to help.
 

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Greg; The golden years are great aren't they? :rolleyes

I'll throw out a few suggestions and ideas knowing all of them don't apply to you, but they may be helpful to other Sterling owners.

Many Uzi owners have drilled and opened up the 100 meter rear peep sight. I didn't have the same problem as you, but I drilled mine out to increase the speed in which I could pick up the front sight. This was especially useful in matches where speed matters and I highly recommend this for Uzi owners and I'm betting Sterling owners may find this useful as well. I'm thinking you have a spare parts kit so this may be worth a try with a spare sight.

John C makes a very good suggestion. The Mk5 "sniping" rear sight has to be used to be completely understood and appreciated, but this may be your best and cheapest option for the issue you're having. Essentially the rear sight disappears in your field of vision and most of what your eye picks up is the front sight. I know it looks weird, but it works. The Mk5 sights are both set at 100 meters unlike the Mk4 rear peep which is 100 and 200 meters.

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I know you don't want to move to optics and my preference is also iron sights for many applications. I did own the M-60 Joe Docter optic for a brief period so I'll post a couple of my thoughts. This mount was actually L34A1's brain child and he turned it over to M-60 Joe for production. As you know, it's mounted well forward on the shroud without any modifications to the gun which is a big plus. Most of us found that the forward mount makes the small dot difficult to quickly pick up in the tiny widow when the optic is placed so far forward. It's great for casual plinking, but requiring fast acquisition of the dot during matches killed the use of this optic mount for me and many others.

The current trend is to use only the rear stud to mount an optic much closer to the rear sight which allows the shooter to quickly and easily acquire the dot in the small window. This set up is depicted in the photo below.

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A local Sterling owner uses a thin piece of electric wire insulation to fatten up the front sight. The plastic insulation slides snugly over the front sight without marring or permanently altering the sight post. I've tried this and it works well. I understand the front sight isn't your problem, but perhaps others reading this may find it helpful.

I understand the problem of tired old eyes and acquiring a sight picture. You know how I love my Sterling, but I've had a difficult time with it and most of my iron sighted guns the last couple of years. I'd strongly considered the use of optics on my Mk5 but I'd chosen to struggle instead. I've been using reading glasses for over a decade and these bring the front sight into focus but makes distant targets blurry. The glasses I've been using to shoot with have been a compromise at best and I've tried to adjust over time as best as I could. It's been especially difficult for me with iron sighted guns like the M1 Garand at distances of 400 to 500 yards.

I very recently made an appointment with an optometrist and it was life changing. My eyes were far worse than I realized and I'm now the proud owner of two pairs of bi-focals. After the initial exam, he insisted I bring in my Sterling so we could work up a pair of shooting glasses that would address my needs. I packed it discretely and we stepped out went behind his office to find a balance that would work. He didn't flinch when I pulled out the gun and seemed really interested in it. I asked if he wanted to hold it and the grin it put on his face when he shouldered it was priceless. I guess what I'm saying is old age and the problems it brings us may be corrected. I know you currently wear corrective glasses, but perhaps a trip to your doc would yield the fix you're looking for.

On the fixed stock. I briefly considered one but locating or fabricating the end cap, stock spacers, and the attaching hardware killed the deal for me.

Best of luck sir.
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0331 said:
Thanks for the info and advice Tom, I really appreciate it. I know what the Sterling is capable of and hopefully I will get all this sorted out.
I don't know if any of that actually helped you, but it gave me a chance to possibly assist others. I do find it interesting that we have so many sight options with this platform. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Please don't discount finding the right optometrist who's willing to work with you to correct the problem you're having. That's their job and my doc went the extra mile to find a solution to my problem and he seemed truly pleased to have found a workable cure. I was rapidly facing the prospect of running optics on the Sterling which I really didn't want to do. He's my new hero!

We both know what the Sterling is capable of doing and I sometimes feel bad for owning this gun. It deserves a much better shooter. ;)
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By all means I am going to find a sympathetic optometrist, I discussed my problem with my current eye doc and he advised that I get a new hobby. After repressing my urge to say what I wanted to say I paid the desk and calmly pointed my finger at him and said Pow! and left. I have called three eye docs so far and haven't found one yet. My next step is to call a friend who is on the swat team in a big city close by and see who they are using as he wears glasses. I agree that finding a better way to see is the best choice.

Thanks again Tom, I look forward to you shooting my unconventionally suppressed Sterling sometime in the future. It is not near as quiet as your MK V but sounds pretty good with the load I have worked up for it.
 

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On an aside, if you search the archives I actually went to the time and effort to source a bunch of the solid Sterling stocks and spacers about 2 years ago. I had 15+ guys on a 'I want one!' list, and after a ton of legwork, exactly one guy put a down payment on them. I sold him the two stocks he wanted, at a loss. :(

Unfortunately, I don't think I can source them anymore, my source was pretty crotchety to begin with, and was pretty pissed when I told him I needed 15 and I only ended up getting two.

So to those who like to jump in on group buys on the internet anonymously with no intent to pony up when the time comes, maybe you can take a lesson away from this...you screw other folks when you play those games.
 

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I very well could be one of the assholes you are talking about and all I can say is I'm sorry.

It was probably one of the times my wife was in the hospital and expected to die, she was in 2 1/2 months again this summer but continues to defy the doctors prognosis. Not much of an excuse but it is all I can offer.
 

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dawg180 said:
On an aside, if you search the archives I actually went to the time and effort to source a bunch of the solid Sterling stocks and spacers about 2 years ago. I had 15+ guys on a 'I want one!' list, and after a ton of legwork, exactly one guy put a down payment on them. I sold him the two stocks he wanted, at a loss. :(

Unfortunately, I don't think I can source them anymore, my source was pretty crotchety to begin with, and was pretty pissed when I told him I needed 15 and I only ended up getting two.

So to those who like to jump in on group buys on the internet anonymously with no intent to pony up when the time comes, maybe you can take a lesson away from this...you screw other folks when you play those games.

Dawg180,

If I was one of the people you are referring to, please accept my sincere apologies. If I put you out, please let me know what I owe you to make things square.

At the time you PM'd "I do not expect payment until I have the product in hand" I would have bought from you but I never got a PM back from you. I ended up getting three stocks and spacers from another source.

Apologies,
Lima
 

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I reckon not. Same reason I would not paint this stock

The reason I mention it is because the company could make a basic stock with a painted finish versus a beautifully finished version as pictured.
 

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0331 said:
I very well could be one of the assholes you are talking about and all I can say is I'm sorry.
Yeah, me too.

You never asked for a deposit and you didn't have them in your possession. After finding out what it would take to fab an end cap, butt plate, and cross pin, I was soured on the project and canceled. At that time you still didn't have the product in hand. I didn't think it was big a deal but it clearly was and you're obviously still butt hurt a year later.

I've worked hard to maintain my positive iTrader rating on this board and my name is more important to me than a few bucks. I have no use for the stock, but please let me know what it will take to cover your time and expenses to make you whole again and I'll get you a check in the mail.
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