Super Safety Review

[hkg3k]

Funny I don't see Bushmaster or Oly on that list.

Bushmaster and Olympic Arms were both low-shelf receivers.

 

[strobro32]

My dudes...it works with my AR22/SS.

 

[ericthered]

My dudes...it works with my AR22/SS.

First, what in the world is that contraption. And second, where can I get one?

 

[strobro32]

Its a Bazooka Brothers A&D 180 adapter that I converted to a S&W 15-22 tower. They have been out of business for a few years.

 

[ScottinTexas]

Question for anyone who has purchased from DeezNuts......how long roughly did it take from placing an order until it was shipped?

 

[Slowmo]

Question for anyone who has purchased from DeezNuts......how long roughly did it take from placing an order until it was shipped?

I wanna say close to a week.

 

[strobro32]

200 rds with AR22/SS. I had a FTE that I edited out.

https://flic.kr/p/2r9h6a5

 

[root]

Seems RB is out with the lawsuits.
I watched the vid they are claiming that the SS even though a different part facilitates the same function and there by they own it.
As of now it names.
Deez nutz tactical.
Harrison ( is that our own board member who has been slinging these? )
Spikes tactical/spider hole.

I won't be buying anything from RB due to this fiasco since they are in essence doing the goverments work for the goverment.

I predict most FRT & SS products will start coming from overseas in the future where RB won't be able to sue so easily.

 

[ScottinTexas]

Well this is going to get interesting. I wonder if sales from some of these sites have been frozen, canceled, placed in limbo or fulfilled as if none of this matters.

Watch this space....

 

[Slowmo]

I predict most FRT & SS products will start coming from overseas in the future where RB won't be able to sue so easily.

If ABC/RBT’s claims cover what they say they cover and are not invalidated, importation and selling/offering for sale are infringing acts under 35 USC 271, so they’d just go after whoever was receiving them and selling them here in the states.

There is a little more to it than typical patent infringement cases, but they may also be able to go to the International Trade Commission and get an import ban.

 

[root]

You would they could get in international import ban.
But look where all the glock switches are coming from and they can't stop them even though they have never been legal.
I know RB is going to bite off probably more then they can chew since a certain person is going to be involved in fighting litigation with them.
I for one am not supporting RB in this.
Sure sue the guys ripping you off, but going after a totally different design that works better and is not a cassette trigger is a little weird.
After watching the TFB vid with RB and his lawyer the dude seems to have went off the reservation.
I have noticed most sellers are OOS on stuff as of now.
Not sure if sellers pulled inventory or if there was a mad rush to get SS gizmos before a court ordered freeze hits.

Anyway you look at it dividing the gun community like RB is doing is bad for all of us even if you have zero interest in a FRT/SS gizmo.
we are our own worse enemy at times.

 

[ericthered]

Quick search, here is Harrison. Out of Pocatello.

Harrison Gunworks

harrisongunworks.com

 

[Hey...]

RB isn’t even making triggers, hasn’t for years. He should let the market roll since he’s taken all his marbles home with him.

 

[strobro32]

A patent is a legal right granted to an inventor that allows them to exclude others from making, using, or selling their invention for a limited time, typically 20 years. In exchange, the inventor must publicly disclose the details of the invention. It's only as good as the ability to defend the patent in court.

Remember, patents were not designed to end innovation. Inventors are not allowed to keep other people from innovating.

First of all, RB did not invent the FRT-15. They bought the rights for the patent from the inventor.

I can understand why RB received a patent infringement protection from WOT. WOT's design is a carbon copy of RB's design. That is patent protection working.

With that victory, RB became a bully. They became over confident until the DOJ had them on the ropes. RB was terrified to loose the case so they entered into a non-binding agreement that allowed RB to make and sell the FRT-15 in exchange for policing/punishing/profiteering off other forced and active reset trigger innovators.

RB wants to steal and profit from other peoples better designs with the help of the DOJ. RB's FRT-15 design has nothing in common with the Super Safety, HK slip-trip or AK system. The amount, type, and function of the SS, Slip trip and AK system is more efficient, reliable and functional than the RB FRT-15.

If just one of these makers were to stand up to RB in court, we could stop RB from stealing others designs. The patent infringement cases would bring to light the vast difference in the designs and stop profiteering and the injustice of the DOJ.

 

[Slowmo]

A patent is a legal right granted to an inventor that allows them to exclude others from making, using, or selling their invention for a limited time, typically 20 years. In exchange, the inventor must publicly disclose the details of the invention. It's only as good as the ability to defend the patent in court.

Remember, patents were not designed to end innovation. Inventors are not allowed to keep other people from innovating.

First of all, RB did not invent the FRT-15. They bought the rights for the patent from the inventor.

I can understand why RB received a patent infringement protection from WOT. WOT's design is a carbon copy of RB's design. That is patent protection working.

With that victory, RB became a bully. They became over confident until the DOJ had them on the ropes. RB was terrified to loose the case so they entered into a non-binding agreement that allowed RB to make and sell the FRT-15 in exchange for policing/punishing/profiteering off other forced and active reset trigger innovators.

RB wants to steal and profit from other peoples better designs with the help of the DOJ. RB's FRT-15 design has nothing in common with the Super Safety, HK slip-trip or AK system. The amount, type, and function of the SS, Slip trip and AK system is more efficient, reliable and functional than the RB FRT-15.

If just one of these makers were to stand up to RB in court, we could stop RB from stealing others designs. The patent infringement cases would bring to light the vast difference in the designs and stop profiteering and the injustice of the DOJ.

I can’t speak to the deal RB made with the DOJ, nor have I closely studied RB’s claim charts, but at a glance, what they are doing in the patent realm seems to be pretty routine patent prosecution and litigation practice. People get patents that cover competitors’ different designs all the time, and they often successfully assert those claims against infringers. For high-value product lines, sophisticated companies commonly keep the family alive through a chain of continuing applications just so they can counter competitors’ future attempts to design around their patents.

 

[deadduck]

I can understand why RB received a patent infringement protection from WOT. WOT's design is a carbon copy of RB's design. That is patent protection working.

I actually see the WOT as an improved version of the RB.

Remember when someone made an improved version of the ‘Paperclip’ by adding serrated edges?
That was fair game.

 

[mattnh]

Fwiw, A patent has claims - those are what define the scope of the invention. An improvement to a patent can itself be patented if it is unique enough. If the improved version violates the original claims, it would still be a patent violation if the guys who made the improvement used the original patent in conjunction with their improvement.

If the improvement is granted a patent (ie it has unique independent claims from those in the original patent and any other patents), the original patent holders wouldn’t be able to use the patented improvement without permission of the improved patent owners.

 

[slimshady]

It pretty much depends on the actual wording of that if it's simply says a device that uses the motion of the bolt cycling to manually reset the trigger for each shot, and they have a case. As long as the function is the same, the boat moving back and forth trip something that makes the trigger move forward. That would be covered by the patent. The fact that it uses completely different mechanism or different parts is irrelevant as long as the function is the same. If they got more specific then you might have an issue that you can litigate against.

If I recall correctly, John Browning Patented the handle attached to the bolt to cock a semi-automatic firearm. As a result you got weird things like that Remington that required you to pull the barrel back in order to Cock it. He was pretty specific about it being a handle and not to function of cocking the gun.

 

[ericthered]

I am to lazy right now to look up the actual patents in question. One of the prerequisites of a patent is that it must have clear instructions on the operation characteristics so that a reader could ostensibly manufacture the idea based off of the patent. Obviously it is in the patent holders best interest to word things as vague as possible, while still holding to the required structure.

Ok. I guess I did just look the patent up

US10514223B1 - Firearm trigger mechanism - Google Patents

A trigger mechanism for use in a firearm having a receiver with a fire control mechanism pocket, transversely aligned pairs of hammer and trigger pin openings in the pocket, and a bolt carrier that reciprocates and pivotally displaces a hammer when cycled. The trigger mechanism includes a...

patents.google.com

Here is the verbage that is completely unique to the rarebreed design, and singularly excludes the SS

"a trigger member having a sear and mounted in the fire control mechanism pocket to pivot on a transverse trigger pin between set and released positions, the trigger member having a surface positioned to be contacted by the hammer when the hammer is displaced by cycling of the bolt carrier, the contact causing the trigger member to be forced to the set position;"

He can not defend a patent if he acquires one for the SS, or the AK. Those are already out in the public.

 

[slimshady]

That would seem pretty specific, if that's the only patent he holds the super safety should be in the clear.