Technical information on the VERSA-10, VERSA-11 and VERSA-12

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

People having being asking for technical spec's on these uppers. The best I can do at the moment is post the Placards from our booth at SAR Show. Here they are:

 

[Beowulf]

So the Versa 10 can be swapped between .45 and 9mm? Or is it just two different variants?

What mags will it be using for the .45 option? Grease Gun? UMP?

Also, how does the barrel and bolt swap work? (assuming you can do that)

 

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

The VERSA-10 can be ordered with either a 9mm or .45 ACP barrel installed. The barrel can be changed by the customer, but you will need a vise to hold the trunnion. Not something you will want to do at the range.

For now the mag’ options for .45 ACP are M3 Grease Gun and Glock 21.

To change the barrel, you need to remove four screws to remove the trunnion, then put the trunnion in a vise and use a 3/4” wrench to remove the barrel.

 

[root]

Great
Option for tommy drums down the rd on the 45?
That's the one thing 9 has over the 45 bunches of drum options for the versa 9 and none for the 45 M10 at all.
I'd buy a tommy mag well even though I only have 3 thompson mags and no drums.
It's a excuse for me to buy a few 45 drums and more mags.

Pretty sure barrels and magwells are going to become the pokemon of the M series guns.
Gotta collect them all!
Matter of fact I have drums and mags fof all the other 9mm magwells offered.
The magwell is more of a choice of what to start with 1st then needing to collect mags & drums after the fact.

Pretty cool to see this come to market.

 

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

Great
Option for tommy drums down the rd on the 45?
That's the one thing 9 has over the 45 bunches of drum options for the versa 9 and none for the 45 M10 at all.
I'd buy a tommy mag well even though I only have 3 thompson mags and no drums.
It's a excuse for me to buy a few 45 drums and more mags.

Pretty sure barrels and magwells are going to become the pokemon of the M series guns.
Gotta collect them all!
Matter of fact I have drums and mags fof all the other 9mm magwells offered.
The magwell is more of a choice of what to start with 1st then needing to collect mags & drums after the fact.

Pretty cool to see this come to market.

The VERSA-10 upper is not compatible with the Thompson drum. For the drum to sit at the correct height, the upper and bolt would have to be modified and the ejection port moved up. If you look at the Tommygun from the rear, the ejection port is at the 2 or 3 o’clock position.

There are 50 round G21 drum mag’s that you can use with the G21 magazine module.

 

[strobro32]

For those who use imitation Glock 21 mags, I do not recommend RWB Korean or ETS G21mags (Lage said ETS functions on his upper). KCI Korean are better but OEM Glock mag/Kriss extensions are most reliable. I have not tested SGM or Magpull G21 mags. I learned the hard way that many after market G21 mags will not fit my CMMG 45 magwell. I don't know Richards magwell dimensions but it's something to think about.

This is the first time I've wanted a M10/45. The VERSA-10 upper with a ROF of 484/600 RPM would be really fun. The upper cost less than my CMMG 45 Banshee and SS.

 

[Slowmo]

For those who use imitation Glock 21 mags, I do not recommend RWB Korean or ETS G21mags (Lage said he is fine with ETS). KCI Korean are better but OEM Glock mag/Kriss extensions are most reliable. I have not tested SGM or Magpull G21 mags. I learned the hard way that many after market Glock mags will not fit my CMMG 45 magwell. I do't know Richards magwell dimensions but it's something to think about.

This is the first time I've wanted a M10/45. The VERSA-10 upper with a ROF of 484/600 RPM would be really fun. The upper cost less than my CMMG 45 Banshee and SS.

The Max-10/45 is quite nice as well.

But the Versa-10/45 might give me an excuse to also buy the Glock 30S (not SF) that I’ve always been intrigued by.

 

[Landric]

For those who use imitation Glock 21 mags, I do not recommend RWB Korean or ETS G21mags (Lage said ETS functions on his upper). KCI Korean are better but OEM Glock mag/Kriss extensions are most reliable. I have not tested SGM or Magpull G21 mags. I learned the hard way that many after market Glock mags will not fit my CMMG 45 magwell. I do't know Richards magwell dimensions but it's something to think about.

This is the first time I've wanted a M10/45. The VERSA-10 upper with a ROF of 484/600 RPM would be really fun. The upper cost less than my CMMG 45 Banshee and SS.

My first MAC was a M10/45 with an original (all steel) Lage upper. It ran like a top. I have since sold that gun and upper (should have kept the upper). Every time I have tried a .45 ACP upper combined with M3 mags since I have not seen the reliability I would like. My original upper never malfunctioned unless it got really hot and burned off all the lube (I solved that with LSA grease). My only M10 now has an Uzi mag conversion. I only have one .45 upper for it, and I never use it because it is a stock style with a super high ROF. Even so, while Uzi mags are great for 9mm, they are not the way to go in .45 ACP.

So, I have some interest in a .45 ACP upper for my M10 with its own magwell. I have a bunch of M3 mags, so that would be the obvious choice. However, I also have a BRP-Stemple gun with all the .45 ACP parts. Getting a VERSA-10 for my M10 that uses M3 mags wouldn't really get me anything except the ability to shoot .45 ACP in another gun. So, my interest is in Glock mags. However, I'm unsure about the various extended capacity Glock 21 pattern mags. Most of them don't seem to have a good reputation, even the Kriss mags get mixed reviews. I have a B&T GHM45 SBR that uses an excellent magazine, but I doubt there would be enough interest in those for an adaptor.

Right now I'm on the list for a VERSA-12 with the Glock mag adapter. I'm still on the fence about the VERSA-10.

 

[Slowmo]

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I just noticed the V12 has four ROFs listed. Will it be able to use three VBSs? I was always under the impression that the M11 doesn’t have enough room behind the sear engagement point to fit more than one or two VBSs.

 

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

I just noticed the V12 has four ROFs listed. Will it be able to use three VBSs? I was always under the impression that the M11 doesn’t have enough room behind the sear engagement point to fit more than one or two VBSs.

The VERSA-12 has a longer upper receiver than the OEM upper. The bolt can travel much further behind the sear.

 

[root]

The Max-10/45 is quite nice as well.

But the Versa-10/45 might give me an excuse to also buy the Glock 30S (not SF) that I’ve always been intrigued by.

The 30S is my carry gun with a 21 mag.

Thanks for the info on the tommy drums good to know and just get that thought out of my head.

Also good to know about the G21 mags only ones I have are the OEM 13's and 10's for the glocks.
Nice to know what works and what doesn't.
Didn't know they made a 21/30 drum either since I wouldn't even think to look for one.
Wonder if they work as good as the PSA evo 3 9mm and Magpul SP5 drums.
Gonna have to get one of these uppers with all the extras after I clear out some 1/2 done projects like the SS lower for the SP5, a few fal kits to build, and a few barrels to thread on my hunting stuff.

 

[strobro32]

VERSA-11 manual now available on the website.

Richard, Can the G17 module use G19 mags?

 

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

VERSA-11 manual now available on the website.

Richard, Can the G17 module use G19 mags?

Yes, it looks like they are not too short.

 

[rchaisch]

I don't remember reading this anywhere - is the barrel an AR-9 barrel or something else?

 

[strobro32]

Same barrel Richard's been using for his Max-31C/K and Max-11K uppers, 5.85" barrels.

 

[ecestu]

With the caliber conversion for 556 available for the m11, why is this upper limited to 9mm? Is that an ATF restriction? Because it would be cool to have the 45 option.

 

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

With the caliber conversion for 556 available for the m11, why is this upper limited to 9mm? Is that an ATF restriction? Because it would be cool to have the 45 option.

There are some physical and mechanical limitations to what you can do with M11/9 and M-11A1 platforms. It is not an ATF limitation.

 

[Slowmo]

There are some physical and mechanical limitations to what you can do with M11/9 and M-11A1 platforms. It is not an ATF limitation.

Do you have any video of the 45 Versa 10?

 

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

Do you have any video of the 45 Versa 10?

No, but we will try to get to the range this week and shoot video.

 

[Jmacken37]

I don't believe stuff Lage Mfg makes will actually will work...prove it to me with a video!