The "Big Thing" For The Mac Style Family Of Registered Receivers

[rybread]

No need for that they all stand on their own merits, both Rich and Sam are both great to deal with and make good products. At the end of the day the decision is for you the consumer to make. I’ll be happy to have both products on my shelf!

 

[arch stanton]

This thread needs to stay on topic or it will be closed.
In my opinion Scott and Sam have answered as much as they can until this product is ready to show. That being said the thread was to give the consumer a sneak peek and gauge interest. So get on the list if your interested it costs nothing and your not obligated.
Scott for reference you can expaect to lose 20-30% of your list when it comes time for them to buy. It just gives you an idea of how many you really can sell immediately.

Take it easy
Joe

 

[Walksalone]

Hi David, Thanks for your interest, you are #69 on the Tenco 11/16 wait list.

 

[ktk120]

I made it at #18 on the list.

Will the videos and more info be posted onto this thread or new ones?

 

[hkg3k]

The biggest difference between the Tenco adapter and the XMG is that the XMG "upper" did not tie in the the "mechanism" i.e. the recoil spring to the AR lower reciever. It is my understanding from day one, that because of the structure for the recoil spring going around the AR receiver the XMG "upper" was determined to be a Title I firearm. All XMG "uppers" were transferred via 4473. So a Title I firearm (the XMG "upper") + a RR machinegun (a M16) is one too many firearms firing more than one round per pull of the trigger.

The XMG became a complete mess after Len Savage tried to use it (XMG) to leverage BATF to approve his belt-fed design. Something to think about in defending your design against the letter writers and the comparators looking to use your design to justify approval of their own device.

Based on conversations I had with Brian at the time...once Brian received the ruling from BATF he went back and redesigned the XMG to contain and utilize the recoil spring in the lower (M16, AR15) receiver. Brian resubmitted the XMG design where the recoil spring / buffer were contained in the lower and IIRC requested this new design not be categorized as a Title 1 firearm in and by itself. According to Brian...BATF gave him a big "NO" on changing the classification on the revised design. IIRC, the reason for not changing the classification was the "upper" still used too many parts / components from a completely different (MG34) firearm.

At that point, Brian dropped any further development on the XMG and sold off his existing inventory of XMGs...which literally took years. It's also interesting to note in that ruling letter, BATF used the term registered receiver, without mention of RDIAS or Lightening Link...according to what Brian told me at the time.

 

[Vegas SMG]

Two more things about the Tenco.

~It’s designed in a manner that makes it impossible to fit or function in a semi auto open bolt M-10. Not ‘gonna happen!

~Like an AR-15, the Tenco has a last round bolt hold open. It also features a bolt release on both sides.

 

[Doobis]

I'm really interested to know if its using a m16 hammer and sear. I guess it would have to.

 

[Walksalone]

Is it OK to wait on the finished product to be available to satisfy the hows and whys or does protocol require hounding the manufacturer?

 

[ktk120]

If your going to post it I think you should expect to be asked questions and most have been answered so why would you not ask

 

[root]

Well I'm on this list and will be on the Lage list also when that upper in 223 comes out.
The simple fact that Both Practical Solution and Lage don't rob the public and after personally dealing with both neither let junk out the door.

The most import thing is if these latest greatest products don't sell they won't make them.
It's biz not charity.
Look what happened to the tungsten M-10 bolt.
Lack of interest and material costs kilt that release.

Look how many have thrown deposits down on X product ( we know who they are) just to have that person sneak off under the cover of daylight to never be heard from again.
We have even had one come back promising to make it right and then crickets.

Again we are not going to have that problem with this product.
In other words we can buy with confidence from Practical Solutions.
Same goes for Lage

Different vendors different products both honest and great to deal with.


My only question(s) to Richard Lage would be......

What number are you on the list and what upper you gonna slap on it? Even that is none of my business.

I'm 77 so a few will already have these and be posting vids/reviews by the time I get mine.
I can then decide if I want it or not.
It's gonna cost me the same to get back off the list as it did to get on it.

Rich

 

[A&S Conversions]

I saw 45 references in the original post by Scott. I was curious how. I have a rmw xtreme DI 45 upperamd lower that shoots off grease gun mags. Would love for that to work but would have to be enough material on the adapter to make it work for both. Ron sells a lower that can take both

MVB Industries sells a magwell adapter for HK UMP .45 mags that have a 25 round capacity.

Scott
Manager A&S Conversions L.L.C.

 

[A&S Conversions]

Two more things about the Tenco.

~It’s designed in a manner that makes it impossible to fit or function in a semi auto open bolt M-10. Not ‘gonna happen!

~Like an AR-15, the Tenco has a last round bolt hold open. It also features a bolt release on both sides.

That would be an ambitious magazine release. The standard AR bolt catch is on the left side of the adapter. The Tenco 10-16 uses standard AR mag catch parts.

Scott
Manager A&S Conversions L.L.C.

 

[Fishman]

MVB Industries sells a magwell adapter for HK UMP .45 mags that have a 25 round capacity.

Scott
Manager A&S Conversions L.L.C.

I have a cmmg delayed blowback upper in 45acp. I would love to use the 10-16 with it! If I could get this, or the grease gun magwell upper, to run i'll be a happy camper. Are UMP/USC mags single stack? 1.5 stack? How are they thinner than a grease gun magazine?
The cmmg delayed blowback parts wont work with a max10/15, so this is a gamechanger for me.

 

[Aim4fun]

Well Scott, you have me on the hook. I just emailed to get on the list for the M11-nine. I kept telling myself wait for more info, pics, videos, etc., but you have sparked my interest. I haven't even had my Max 11/15 6 weeks yet and I already can't see myself not having both of these innovative products at my disposal. What I really need to do is buy another MAC RR before the prices get even higher than they currently are.

 

[STEVESKI]

I'm 61 on the 11-16 kit. Im 306 for the Max11-15. I plan on getting the Lage and if the reviews are good on the 10-16, I'll get the 11-16 and see which I prefer and sell the other. Given the timeline, I'd imagine I'd get to own the Max11-15 for a year at least before being able to put the 11-16. Very excited that these Macs continue to evolve! I'm so tempted to pick up a fat Mac now but then I couldn't afford these uppers!

 

[MACchat]

Why would you put Richard on the spot like that? I have the utmost respect for what Richard has accomplished, products that he sells, and how he conducts his business. I strive to have our customer service close to what Richard has done day in and day out for as long as he has been in business. Why would you want to draw him into a discussion of someone else's product? There would be downside for him.

I have received some very kind words about our product. As far as I am concerned, our product is different than what Richard is offering. I think both the Max-11/15 and the Tenco 10-16 are great products. I personally am on the Max-11A1/15 list, because I think it is a great product. I wish Richard great success.

Scott
Manager A&S Conversions L.L.C.

Hah wow, literal, huh? You misunderstood. Yes, clearly, CLEARLY, he isn’t going to comment on a public forum about the Tenco design. I wasn’t asking or suggesting that — at all. And I was not putting Richard on the spot. Relax.

I’m curious what the leader (in my opinion) in M-everything products thinks about the design. Meaning, given his experience with manufacturing, I’d like to be a fly on the wall in his shop to hear his commentary on it.

I’m sure it would be stellar — I just think his technical description would be cool to be privy to. I find it interesting that two of the most innovative accessories for the platform have been announced and released within about year of each other, which definitely makes him part of the conversation.

And who doesn’t wish all the manufactures well? We all do. It’s great... more designs, more products, more shooting, more fun. It’s not a Lage v. A&S thing, at least to me.

As I said a few pages back, thanks for bringing to market.

Looking forward to pics!

MACchat
Commentator, UziTalk

 

[Slaine777]

I have a cmmg delayed blowback upper in 45acp. I would love to use the 10-16 with it! If I could get this, or the grease gun magwell upper, to run i'll be a happy camper. Are UMP/USC mags single stack? 1.5 stack? How are they thinner than a grease gun magazine?
The cmmg delayed blowback parts wont work with a max10/15, so this is a gamechanger for me.

I was thinking that the CMMG upper had to be used with their lower because the Glock 21 mags were too wide for a standard magwell. Is there an adapter that let's you use different magazines or do I misunderstand things?

 

[ktk120]

That mvb adaptet lets you use hk ump mags but my upper is DI so I’m not sure that works in my case

 

[TMack]

I would prefer a RPB M11-A1 380/9mm "Baby MAC" version. Given it is cost equivalent to the Lage I would rather wait until my number comes up for the Lage MAX 11/15 SWD M11 version. Their quality is impeccable and they are really nice folks.

 

[arch stanton]

Hah wow, literal, huh? You misunderstood. Yes, clearly, CLEARLY, he isn’t going to comment on a public forum about the Tenco design. I wasn’t asking or suggesting that — at all. And I was not putting Richard on the spot. Relax.

I’m curious what the leader (in my opinion) in M-everything products thinks about the design. Meaning, given his experience with manufacturing, I’d like to be a fly on the wall in his shop to hear his commentary on it.

I’m sure it would be stellar — I just think his technical description would be cool to be privy to. I find it interesting that two of the most innovative accessories for the platform have been announced and released within about year of each other, which definitely makes him part of the conversation.

And who doesn’t wish all the manufactures well? We all do. It’s great... more designs, more products, more shooting, more fun. It’s not a Lage v. A&S thing, at least to me.

As I said a few pages back, thanks for bringing to market.

Looking forward to pics!

This is exactly what I am talking about. This will be the final warning or the thread is closed. Take it somewhere else.
Ask Richard yourself what he thinks or you have to know. This thread has nothing to do with another product or business or than Scott’s product