The Colt employee's name is John Keyosayian

[ScottinTexas]

I suppose gun guys are like dog breeders and car collectors; you follow your passion and get in real deep...

 

[Mackjack]

It's actually NFATCA. An organization that is supposedly for the NFA owners.

https://www.nfatca.org

That website is dead as fuck. Newest forum post is 2018... Most are around 2012

 

[b_saan]

Just great news there for anyone with a vested interest in one of these. The NFATCA fucked us out of the trust exemption with their 41p lobbying and tried to hose suppressor manufacturers with serial number shenanigans as well, the last thing anyone wants is for them to "inquire" about anything else from the ATF. With friends like them who needs enemies.

Tough decision; ask the BATF to verify and remove the cloud or just go on your merry way and whistle past the graveyard.

Either way this is why I chose to avoid these.

Appreciate the clarification on the org.

 

[theduke]

if this thread was aborted like some other forums have done....would that lesson the issue?

just curious............got no dog/lower involved in this clusterF

 

[Samuel_Hoggson]

if this thread was aborted like some other forums have done....would that lesson the issue?

If you go for a walk deep into the woods, and whisper something your wife can't hear, are you still wrong?

 

[Kramer]

Just great news there for anyone with a vested interest in one of these. The NFATCA fucked us out of the trust exemption with their 41p lobbying and tried to hose suppressor manufacturers with serial number shenanigans as well, the last thing anyone wants is for them to "inquire" about anything else from the ATF. With friends like them who needs enemies.

That's why I said that they were supposedly for the NFA owners. Yes the entity people got hosed with the 41P and the aTf drags their feet on those transfers to discourage entity transfers.

 

[root]

Just great news there for anyone with a vested interest in one of these. The NFATCA fucked us out of the trust exemption with their 41p lobbying and tried to hose suppressor manufacturers with serial number shenanigans as well, the last thing anyone wants is for them to "inquire" about anything else from the ATF. With friends like them who needs enemies.

THANK YOU!

I didn't want to be the one to say it since I've said it so many times.

What really kills me are the people that have bought these guns and continue to brag about them.

It's almost like they want everyone to know and are screaming come get it. It's not going to matter if the gun is legit or not.

The whole collection is under scrutiny.

Kinda like any other collection once a repop or forgery is found the whole collection becomes suspect.

Doesn't matter if it's only one sword, car, comic book, or in this case gun. the one fraud now calls attention to the whole collection.

Most collectors wouldn't buy anything from the seller after the 1st fraud was suspect just to ensure they were not being ripped off or tainting their own collection.

Big difference here is we are not talking about a old car claimed to be 100% original with new seats and mismatched motor.

But a item that is so heavily regulated that the Gov. will seize it and possibly levy fines or worse.

Rich

 

[Gaujo]

Crazy to think about Rich, but totally something you should think about. I am perfectly happy with my modular Ingram lowers and modern uppers thank you very much!

 

[rentprop1]

What really kills me are the people that have bought these guns and continue to brag about them.

It's almost like they want everyone to know and are screaming come get it. It's not going to matter if the gun is legit or not.

We've got a few on this forum, I guess they wanna be famous, bragging never pays off.

 

[USSarizona]

THANK YOU!

I didn't want to be the one to say it since I've said it so many times.

What really kills me are the people that have bought these guns and continue to brag about them.

It's almost like they want everyone to know and are screaming come get it. It's not going to matter if the gun is legit or not.

The whole collection is under scrutiny.

Kinda like any other collection once a repop or forgery is found the whole collection becomes suspect.

Doesn't matter if it's only one sword, car, comic book, or in this case gun. the one fraud now calls attention to the whole collection.

Most collectors wouldn't buy anything from the seller after the 1st fraud was suspect just to ensure they were not being ripped off or tainting their own collection.

Big difference here is we are not talking about a old car claimed to be 100% original with new seats and mismatched motor.

But a item that is so heavily regulated that the Gov. will seize it and possibly levy fines or worse.

Rich

While this collection as a whole may come under scrutiny, these A4 "A2's" don't invalidate the rest of the collection, and especially not for legal purposes. If a rifle has the proper stampings, finish, features, serial number, etc., it is almost certain to be authentic and impossible to disprove otherwise. And without a Freedom of Information Act request, which takes eons to process, subsequent purchasers will have no way of knowing whether a particular weapon came from that collection or not.

If a rifle has features that did not exist during the declared era of manufacture, however, it will obviously be the subject of further scrutiny and likely consequent seizure...

 

[Battering ram NIB]

This collection is 3+ years old

At what point should I stop worrying someone will knock on my
Door to inspect my gun?

Who will the expert be to judge authentic or not

I have no worries.

If I had m4 features I’d worry a bit more

10 years from now I suspect this will still come up every 6 months

When you buy a $30,000 m16 your buying a piece of paper

My piece of paper is legit

The make and model has not changed.

I think some of you think the sky is falling.

 

[rentprop1]

Show of hands those dying to say "I told you so".....lol

 

[Samuel_Hoggson]

Show of hands those dying to say "I told you so".....lol

Wouldn't matter, emotional investment such as it is. Over half the US population functions that way, angrily quadrupling down on being wrong. Why wouldn't some own NFA firearms?

 

[USSarizona]

This collection is 3+ years old

At what point should I stop worrying someone will knock on my
Door to inspect my gun?

Who will the expert be to judge authentic or not

I have no worries.

If I had m4 features I’d worry a bit more

10 years from now I suspect this will still come up every 6 months

When you buy a $30,000 m16 your buying a piece of paper

My piece of paper is legit

The make and model has not changed.

I think some of you think the sky is falling.

I thought you said in the past yours was one of the black guns?

 

[Battering ram NIB]

I believe mine is part of this collection

Mine has everything correct for 1984

I believe it to be a colt tool room gun

I believe the story of colt going bankrupt and emptying their storage room

These guns showed up right when colt went bankrupt


I have no explanation of the dozen or 2 m16s that are clearly post 86

 

[ScottinTexas]

1. First rule in gun collecting: buy the gun not the story.

2. Second rule in gun collecting: if there is the slightest bit of controversy, inconsistency or just something that seems peculiar then move on.

There’s been some real good objective advice in this thread for those able to accept it without emotion.

 

[ATCDoktor]

1. First rule in gun collecting: buy the gun not the story.

2. Second rule in gun collecting: if there is the slightest bit of controversy, inconsistency or just something that seems peculiar then move on.

This is the best advice ever given on a gun forum ever.

 

[USSarizona]

Mine has everything correct for 1984

Then you should have nothing to worry about.

 

[JohnnyE]

1. First rule in gun collecting: buy the gun not the story.

2. Second rule in gun collecting: if there is the slightest bit of controversy, inconsistency or just something that seems peculiar then move on.

There’s been some real good objective advice in this thread for those able to accept it without emotion.

This is the best advice ever given on a gun forum ever.

Indeed. As a potential buyer, the only real power you have is...the power to walk away.

 

[secondofangle]

Very nice A2, at a very good price of $28,000, I wonder why? Oh, wait....

https://www.machineguncentral.com/ViewDetails.aspx?p=2546--a1fe805a-d0b1-4525-9efb-3ec0fc67df33