The FATD Is Making Us Crazy

[A&S Conversions]

We are still waiting on the Chief of the FATD to review and sign the evaluation that was done for March 8th. Now the FATD is saying 6 months for FFL holders. Non FFL holders will be done after that. Considering that the FATD wrote me on March 6th to say that they received the adapter installed on a complete firearm, it makes sense that the evaluation only took a day because what I sent was an aluminum version of what I had already sent in 3D printed plastic. This is now days from being six months since we originally sent the aluminum version in.

The Trump administration is supposed to be pro business. How can we bring a product to market when we can't get a determination? This has all been so very frustrating.

Scott

 

[Vegas SMG]

As you know, I’ve got a pair of M-11/9s stuck in transfer hell. I’m not “that guy” who calls every week to check the status, but after a little over year since my check was cashed, so I finally called. Happy birthday! Today marks one year since they went pending.

It seems clear that most NFA prices are beginning to decline, and I believe long transfer times are hurting prices and making potential buyers think hard about buying an expensive toy. Ridiculous.

 

[Grant435]

As you know, I’ve got a pair of M-11/9s stuck in transfer hell. I’m not “that guy” who calls every week to check the status, but after a little over year since my check was cashed, so I finally called. Happy birthday! Today marks one year since they went pending.

It seems clear that most NFA prices are beginning to decline, and I believe long transfer times are hurting prices and making potential buyers think hard about buying an expensive toy. Ridiculous.

I agree, I would own many more guns and suppressors if it wasn’t for ridiculous wait times. I actually told myself last time I’m done with nfa items because it’s frustrating. I did end up buying m11a1 and m11/9 so now I’m waiting on those. I hope those values aren’t creeping lower because I spent 16k for both with few lage items.

 

[Mackjack]

Yep. Today marks 13 months since my check was cashed on my m11/9.... Still in fbi review or whatever its called... Yet I e filed an sbr in Oct and just got that back... Makes no sense

 

[mattnh]

I wonder if either of our Democrat senators
Would call the ATF on behalf of a NH business?

 

[FAL]

Transfer times are definitely hurting the NFA industry from MGs to suppressors. I'd have a bigger pile of suppressors if I could actually get it when I paid for it, rather than waiting a year. Same for SBRs...

 

[A&S Conversions]

I wonder if either of our Democrat senators
Would call the ATF on behalf of a NH business?

I wouldn't hold my breath.

Scott

 

[Vegas SMG]

Well over a decade ago, one of Harry Reid’s staffers help move a 16 month transfer along. Your congressman probably won’t be directly involved or even know his people contacted BATF, but they do work for you. BATF has staff who’s only function is to answer congressional inquiries. What I’m hearing today is BATF’s responses are canned replies and nothing is really being done.
Is it a waste of time to contact them? You need to decide, but stick to the facts if you do draft a letter to your congress critter.

 

[will4me]

We are all feeling the Struggle, but I know me, and will buy again if I see something at a good deal even if I have to wait a year.
I am still waiting on a Suppressor for my Mac that I filed just a over a Year ago.
I am sending a letter to my congressman on Monday and hopefully will get some action on it as others have done.
The wait times are Ridiculous as I E-Filed a SBR build and got that back in 39 Days.

 

[llamasabound]

Waiting on an M10, also past a year now. Three efiles since they re-opened in October. My Senator’s staffer worked with the liaison at both the FBI and the ATF. After receiving erroneous information (about the efiles), the final answer is it’s in the backlog at ATF (BGC was completed last November), and they will get to it when they get to it. My suspicion is a congressional question can help with a delay at the FBI on the background, but can no longer spur action on the part of examiners.

There’s a real chance your determination will come back and *my* Tenko adapter will be in hand before the lower gets released to me.

A month ago I was frustrated, but deep resignation has set in now.

 

[No. 6]

...

but deep resignation has set in now.

Exactly how I feel.

 

[Mackjack]

Transfer times are definitely hurting the NFA industry from MGs to suppressors. I'd have a bigger pile of suppressors if I could actually get it when I paid for it, rather than waiting a year. Same for SBRs...

Same here.

I've put all future nfa on hold until I start seeing more stamps come back..... It's almost like this is being done on purpose to us.. ...

 

[A&S Conversions]

My understanding is the determination process is very different from the transfer process. Could Congressional help with this determination? Possibly, but my worry is "winning the battle and loosing the war". We are looking at a change in the adapter setup for the M11/NINE. So we will submit a 3D printed version with the change as it is much more cost effective. After a positive determination then submit an aluminum version. The last thing we wish to do is get the wrong side of such a small office. We also want to adapt other firearm mechanisms to the Mac style family of RRs. We will be starting with 3D versions transitioned to aluminum. We hope to work with the FATD not have a combative relationship.

Scott
Manager A&S Conversions L.L.C.

 

[Vegas SMG]

5320.4 transfers are a completely different process and department from the approval you seek. Clearly we don’t have many tens of thousands of dollars tied up in something that’s not a firearm and I can’t imagine how I’d feel if I were in your position. People here feel your pain on a personal level withntheir transfers and it sucks... for all of us. Not wanting to take an adversarial position is smart, and I’m not sure you’d even win the battle, much less the war. Still, the slow approvals will result in a slowdown in sales will hurt those actively engaged in the business. Did I mention it sucks?

 

[gun.bro]

So I submitted my form 4 transfer in November -sale was local and I spoke to the seller last week. He seemed optimistic that it would clear closer to September, I had to refresh his reality that I plan on seeing it December soonest. With the testimonials on this thread, I might even be too optimistic.... sigh....

 

[root]

Seems the FATD is servicing the FFL biz owners before the private sector 1st.

Can blame that on the asshats sending in fleshlights and other bullshit asking if they are stocks and all the other bullshit those guys are doing.


Rich

 

[Battering ram NIB]

I’m taking advantage of the down market to buy every bargain I can find

S&w76 used to be $13,000-13,500. I got a minty one with little use for $9,500

Im finding -$2,000 bargains and grabbing them

Just got a stamp approved at 9 months

After the silencer co 10,000 silencers are through I bet it goes back to 5-6 months

By design I don’t think it will get better anymore

I’m most impatient person out there. Yet I’ve learned to watch nfa tracker and not worry until you he chart is past my check cashed date

Just had A form 4 individual take 5 months vs the normal 2
6 weeks cause of trump
6 weeks cause of a take his timeseller.
I was not happy the last 4 weeks of it. Even shipping took 7 days

 

[MACchat]

Same boat RAM... deals are deals (on MGs). I couldn’t care less about wait times. Unless it’s your first, the wait isn’t all that tough.

None of it is convenient and is likely done purposely. It’s pretty obvious it’s a form of gun control, which, judging by the comments above, is effective. If someone is already background checked and cleared for NFA items, a F4 and quick 4473 should suffice for another. The checking and rechecking is redundant and a joke.

“Waiting” only increases the overall wait time, which is laughably dumb. Pay more AND wait more? Pass.

 

[ScottinTexas]

I would like a couple of suppressors but as I have a family Trust I'm just not going to fingerprint everyone. 41F effed me. And clearly caused a huge backlog for all things NFA.

 

[Fishman]

I would like a couple of suppressors but as I have a family Trust I'm just not going to fingerprint everyone. 41F effed me. And clearly caused a huge backlog for all things NFA.

So get a single shot trust...