The Tenko Adapter Function Vs. What Has Already Been Brought To Market

Deerhurst

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fixed that for you. Any felon in the country can get their hands on an AR15 VERY EASILY. the idea that we can keep weapons away from people is absolutely laughable.

Likely easier than you or I. There are quite a few museums displaying firearms and other weapons made by inmates. Some are automatic weapons. Those are made by folks in very controlled environments. Think of what people under the radar have.

Respectfully, I disagree. It is my understanding that prior to 1934 there was no Federal regulation of firearms. So in 1933 a convicted violent felon could walk into a Thompson stocking dealer with $250 cash, point to a 1928 Colt Thompson on the wall and walk out of the store with a brand new Thompson, some drums, mags, and 1,000 rounds of ammo. I can't speak for anyone else but IMHO convicted violent felons should not be able to own machineguns.



My understanding of the NICS background check given to me by the ATF compliance officer when we were interviewed for our Manufacturing FFL, that the information called in is strictly about the person, not what they are buying. For the Government to know what you purchased, the Government would need to start a trace with the manufacturer with the serial number. The manufacturer keeps records as to the distributor. The distributor keeps records of the retailer that receives the gun. The retailer keeps a record of who the firearm was transferred to. The NICS background check is given to the person wishing to transfer a firearm, not the firearm itself.

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I always like a good debate! 34 had a large influence due to the political climate and the media focusing on the few gang that were using automatic weapons. Prohibition era stuff. Basically a few bad eggs, Capone, Dillinger, Nelson, Bonnie and Clyde, and Floyd. For reference in 2015 it was estimated there were 30 active serial killers active in the US. Its kinda like how today every gun owner can be demonized by the act of just one criminal.

In 1933 $250 was an extraordinary amount of money. The $200 NFA tax was meant to keep NFA item out of the hand of all but the very rich. You already had to be quite rich to afford a thompson but now you had to be rich enough to afford 2.

Unfortunately there are still places where scum can point to the MG on the wall and walk out with it.

My issue with NICS is 2 part. I would like to believe that a failed NICS would have some sort of something. My girlfriend worked at a NFA shop for about 13 years. She said in 13 years she could count on one hand with fingers left over the number of times a failed NICS had some sort of follow up action even with repeat offenders. The state for my state pointed to a little less than 1% of failed NICS were followed up on in any way. Its used as a try and try and try again until maybe one slips through. 2 is that I dont like lists. With each purchase that item is on lists and records all the way through from builder to distributor to seller to the state to the gov. Granted, with NFA its no better and possibly worse. Yes, Im in the NFA game. Yes, Im on all the lists. No, Im not happy about it.

It is really shameful that the ATF won't give you a consultation response on the adapter and apparently have no plans to due to political cowardliness. Its too bad you can't initiate a lawsuit against them for not performing their basic function so that you can operate your business. If this was a large multi-million dollar industry, that's what they would do.

My fingers are crossed that you get an approval soon and you can reap the just rewards of your innovation.

Agreed on all parts. Especially finally getting to see his hard work and innovation pay off.
 

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Many people have done stupid things when they were young. Personally I made a couple of poor decisions when I was young. I didn't do anything illegal, but wouldn't be something that I look back as an adult and think that what I did was a good idea. I don't think that some kid that tried to rob some lady of her purse, she doesn't let go so his buddy pulls out a gun, that the kid dosen't know about, and makes her let go. A cop sees this and shoots the buddy. Someone has died during the commission of an armed robbery. Should that punk kid get a needle in his arm because he didn't know his buddy had a gun? Certainly I think that the kid did something wrong and owes society, but I don't think that he should die because he didn't know whether his buddy was carrying something he didn't know about. I don't want to turn this into a discussion of crime and punishment, but this the United States, not Saudi Arabia.

Again, thank you guys for the kind words. It really means a lot. This has been the most challenging situation of my life with huge implications for the rest of my life. I will be 61 next month. I have around $200,000 in this project, not counting my time and efforts. If this goes south, that will certainly effect when or even if I can retire. I think that the chances are good that there won't be a problem. It has certainly kept me up quite a few nights thinking about what I can do.

They also have Scott’s transferable subgun submitted with the Tenko.

The Tech Branch sent me an email March 6, 2019 that they had received my M10 RR. I won't be getting it back until this is resolved. I have other guns but I have not been shooting since last summer. There are so many different things I want to work on. It sucks that we have had the plans for the Tenko 11-16 done almost a year and a half ago. I promised my wife that I would not spend any more money on R&D until we have positive cash flow. If I had pushed harder to get the aluminum version out quicker we might have made it in before the log jam. But we sent in just in time to get caught up in it. We have another Uzi converted M10/9 Texas gun and a RPB M10 45. Going shooting tends to make me think about this mess. But I want to work forward. Thank you for listening to me vent.

Scott
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I’d be like guys, you are sitting on my gun that’s 1/6th of your annual untaxed salary, can you please turn it around within the early part of this new freakish decade.
 

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I’d be like guys, you are sitting on my gun that’s 1/6th of your annual untaxed salary, can you please turn it around within the early part of this new freakish decade.

I think it's safe to say Scott has followed up.
 

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It is really shameful that the ATF won't give you a consultation response on the adapter and apparently have no plans to due to political cowardliness. Its too bad you can't initiate a lawsuit against them for not performing their basic function so that you can operate your business. If this was a large multi-million dollar industry, that's what they would do.

My fingers are crossed that you get an approval soon and you can reap the just rewards of your innovation.


Very well put.

ATF is as an entity, a bunch of cowardly bureaucrats who hide behind their backlog and are totally unaccountable. If I was in charge I'd fire them all and outsource the work.
 
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