TX22 FRTs

strobro32

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Funny. They say the GAU-8A has a variable ROF of 3900 RPM, 4000' -12000' effective range. That's crazy. It holds 1150 rds of 30mmx 173 at a cost of $25 -$35 a round. I don't think I make enough to even fire one drum of ammo. I don't think I dislike someone enough to use it... except watermellons. They're evil and need to xsplode.
 
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Almost the price of a new TX22

Everytime I get a email of a so called sale they are 459-499 each now.
Wonder at more then double the price if they are selling any.
 

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I hear them at my range all the time. Even at $600 for the gun and FRT it's a cheap way to have a lot of fun compared to the cost of an MG.

I have to take this opportunity to put out another shout out for Matt's ODD Mfg FRT and slide weight. It just runs and runs and with the weight it slows it down and allows the use of my light weight and my heavy weight suppressors. Get them, you won't be disappointed. I mean it.
 

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I get it Skoda but if I remember right I paid 169 at PSA for my TX22 before the craze hit and the optioned dot site guns were like 299-359.
I also understand they will list the price at whatever the market will pay.
It's more just a WOW sticker price shock when they send a Email claiming " sale " for almost double the price.
I guess for once in my life I got in on the ground floor as they say.
 

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Yes, it's just basic supply and demand economics at play. If/when FRTs ever go away or the market is saturated the price will drop to 'normal'.

The reason they can sell them at the high prices is that FRTs have upped the demand so much. No doubt nearly every day someone that has one lets their friend shoot it and before the end of the day the friend is online looking for a TX22, FRT, and magazines.

Right about a year ago I got mine for $250 and it came with a bunch of extra magazines. Then in September I got the TORO model for the same price but with just two mags. Soon after that you could hardly find them.

A couple of years ago a friend got a Gen 1 TX22 and he was jealous because at the same time I got a SIG P322 and he liked mine better. Now I'm jealous of him because his heavy slide Gen 1 runs with a suppressor just fine with no extra parts or playing around.

You never know what will come out next in the gun world. Interesting times.
 

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I still see them for $250 at gun/pawn stores that don't advertise on the web. Just be careful of the used market. Thousands of TX22s were damaged by the first year of the bad Brrt v4 FRTs.
 

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Has anyone had a chance to run the 34rd promags? I got two of them and they both consistently produce stoppages every few rounds. My tx22 runs 100% with factory mags. The majority of reviews say these mags are reliable but that's not what I'm experiencing. I don't know if I got a pair of bad ones or if it's another issue. I ran them as-is, then I tried some dry lube, and when that didn't work I cleaned them and used some silicone lube. Still jamming. I may end up sending them back.
 
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I've been testing 3 of them. 2 are doing OK, 1 or 2 stoppages per mag but with 4 dumps and no stoppages, the 3rd is awful. 4-6 stoppages.
 
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Has anyone tried a factory TX22 follower in the promag mags yet?
Or even a 3d printed one?
 

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Ok ya read those.
Just forgot since there is so much info here on the TX22
Kinda the same with the frt thread in the reviews sub forum so much info it's hard to remember or keep track.
Not to mention I haven't done any shooting since Feb.
 

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Has anyone had a chance to run the 34rd promags? I got two of them and they both consistently produce stoppages every few rounds. My tx22 runs 100% with factory mags. The majority of reviews say these mags are reliable but that's not what I'm experiencing. I don't know if I got a pair of bad ones or if it's another issue. I ran them as-is, then I tried some dry lube, and when that didn't work I cleaned them and used some silicone lube. Still jamming. I may end up sending them back.
I have been testing just one 34 rnd mag out of six that I bought. I’ve shot seven full mags and haven’t had any stoppages at all and the spring is able to keep up with the rof. If I have any problems as described by others here I plan to use a spray-on dry lube on the plastic parts before replacing any followers.
 

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Thought for the day:

The Mask, The Sparrow: TX22s, FRTs and Rate Reducers

The Mask and The Sparrow are the most recommended suppressors for the TX22 I have seen on multiple forums. Here is the DL from a FRT and RR maker.

TX22s work with lots of different ammo. They work great with a FRT with lots of different ammo. They work great with a suppressor and lots of different ammo.

Then combining a FRT and suppressor on a TX22 gets problematic. The balance and rhythm are more critical. Even though the TX22 has a “fixed barrel” I would call it a “stationary” barrel because it’s not really fixed. There is movement and it does affect the reliability with a suppressed FRT in a TX22. Not always but most often, it needs more weight on the slide to function unless using a really light suppressor. But even then, a Rate Reducer or weight added to the slide can keep it running longer between the build-up of lead and suppressor cleaning.

Rate Reducers are dependent on balance of ammo, slide and suppressor weight. For Odd Mfg, we make a 1.4 oz RR. It works with 1200 + fps 40 grain ammo and suppressors under 7 oz. Every 1000 rds adds 1 oz of lead to a suppressor, more if the ammo is not plated. Cleaning lead out of suppressors to maintain the TX22 balance is a whole other discussion.

We do not recommend RRs without FRT and suppressor combo even though some people say different. Or research supports Taurus findings. Lighter slides and faster cycling has better reliability up to a point. Gen 1 slides have more weight so they were better for FRTs and suppressors, although not enough weight and options for adding wight to be completely reliable, but I don't think Taurus was testing FRTs.

The Sparrow and Mask are popular choices for the TX22 without a FRT. They are on the heavy side of 22 suppressors at 6-6.8 oz. With a FRT, more weight on the slide is needed. Our 1.4 or RR is not enough weight for the Mask. That combo requires 2.4 oz added to the slide and more frequent cleaning schedule. The way we do it is adding the 1.4 oz RR and a 1 oz optic. This drops the ROF to about 1750 RPM which is OK for reliability. On our graph of reliability, anything under 1700 RPM looses reliability.

Odd Mfg considered multiple designs for adjustable RRs in the beginning but one design philosophy won out, no moving parts or fasteners. Anything designed to come apart, will come apart, probably when least expected. We like K.I.S.S. principle.

What RR do you need? What ammo and suppressor do you want to use?

The Sparrow and Mask have been our favorite suppressors for most firearms of the past, especially the TX22 without a FRT. With a FRT, they are not the best choice for a suppressor. They are too heavy and require a heavy RR. In our testing the more weight that is added to the slide, the slower it runs, less the reliability, between extreme variations.

There is evidence that a +2 recoil rod assembly, suppressors, FRT and hyper velocity ammo can take the place of a RR. Unfortunately, the cost of CCI Stingers is 1/3 more that CCI MM 40 gr. The ROF of the +2 recoil rod assembly, CCI Stingers, FRT and suppressor is in the mid 2100 ROF which is close to the failure of the striker and magazine. Stinger ammo leads to more wear and breakage as seen by the broken frames and slides that pop up here and online with people who use hyper velocity ammo. We are thinking the CCI MM 40 gr combos at 1750 ROF leads us to believe that RRs are not going anywhere and probably a better choice wear control, cost and reliability.

We like the OCL Ti at 3.8oz. We can run a few thousand rounds with our RR before cleaning the suppressor. Best if cleaned every 1000 rds. Stainless steel and Ti material are easily and effortlessly cleaned with The Dip. The Dip is toxic, and needs precautions with use and disposal, is destructive to aluminum and carbon steel, but is cheap and easy with SS and Ti.

Feel free to disagree or to offer your opinions. Any information is helpful to keeping out TX22s safe and fun. oddmfg.com
 
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