TX22 FRTs

[StenAtopia]

So….. I see a lot of companies won’t ship to Florida but I can’t find anything saying they are “illegal” to own in Flerida?

 

[KickStand]

Here’s the BS State Statute (it’s so vague and broad, that I’m surprised it hasn’t been challenged yet):
790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.- A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump-fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term "bump-fire stock" means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.

 

[StenAtopia]

Here’s the BS State Statute (it’s so vague and broad, that I’m surprised it hasn’t been challenged yet):
790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.- A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump-fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term "bump-fire stock" means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.

But that was overturned? Florida is still holding onto that statue?

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

I thought about the question “if I wanted to carry some paperwork on a FRT, what would I carry?”

I’d carry a copy of

-the Fed machine gun definition

-highlighted copies of the judicial decisions to show that Fed judges have declared FRTs to not fit the MG definition (aka they’re semi)

-screen shot snippets showing FRTs/SSs openly available for sale on the commercial market

-a copy of the ATF letter saying that RB/WOT FRTs are not MGs and must be returned to the owner

-any applicable state law for where I’m shooting

If a cop arrests someone with all that then that person was going to get arrested for something even if they didn’t have a FRT

I did some more TX22 testing today. Holy cow it has a light slide on it. It wouldn’t run with any ammo/can combination that I had. I haven’t tried subsonic ammo yet.

Federal automatch 40gr worked great

Old rem gold bullet worked great except for one bad primer (that’s common with this ammo)

Armscor 36gr worked okay. One malf

 

[Slowmo]

But that was overturned? Florida is still holding onto that statue?

The ATF’s interpretation of federal statutes was addressed by SCOTUS, but that does not have any direct effect on Florida’s statute.

 

[skoda]

I was asked to show a Form 4 for an MG that I had at a public range. I held it up and the guy said 'Thanks'. Didn't read it, didn't want to see the gun, just looking for some indication that it wasn't a home made job. I'd bet that if you had a registered MG with you and your FRT guns that would be enough for all but the most hard assed police.

 

[jt526]

I just got my shipping notification. It is going in this SBR TX22 I just finished building. Was a huge never Taurus guy, but damn is the TX22 a good gun. Probably picking up a 3rd next week.

FRT go BRRRT.

I did find 3d printed files for the TX22 frt after I ordered though, but oh well. It’s only money, I’ve spent more on less.

 

[root]

JT526
Where did you purchase that chassis?
And what size tx22 does it fit compact or standard?

PSA is having a sale on the compact tx22 with three 16 rnd mags, two 22 rnd mags, 1/2x28 barrel & hard case for 269.99 plus what ever it cost for the tax & shipping.
Pretty decent since the 22 rnd mags are 30 bux each and the 16's are 22 bux each.

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

I was asked to show a Form 4 for an MG that I had at a public range. I held it up and the guy said 'Thanks'. Didn't read it, didn't want to see the gun, just looking for some indication that it wasn't a home made job. I'd bet that if you had a registered MG with you and your FRT guns that would be enough for all but the most hard assed police.

Was it a range employee or police? The police I’ve met at the range never asked and just came by to talk guns. They never asked about legality.

That SBR looks cool! What are the details? I saw that people are gearing up to sell SBR or brace conversions.

M&P 9mm. The TX22 FRT is honestly more fun but the 9mm has its own appeal. I really like the M&P. I really don’t need more pistols but this one shoots so amazingly well that it makes me want to start shooting comps again

Supposedly there is a selectable M&P FRT that exists and is heading toward production

Now that the pistol FRTs are covered I just need that FRT shotgun

 

[skoda]

It was a DNR officer. The range was just an old gravel pit on state game land where people would come to blast away. I got the feeling that the officer asked to see the registration so that he could say to his supervisor that he confirmed that it was legit. I could be wrong.

 

[root]

Well alaska shooter I never wanted a M&P until now.
Pretty controlable with short strings.
Wonder if the glock frt has the same control.

 

[ericthered]

How is the trigger feel on the s&w as well as taurus with the frt? I printed a glock for an frt. The trigger slap is terrible. And the gun doesnt run yet. Still gotta tune it, but it is not a pleasant experience.

 

[strobro32]

Alaska shooter, is the slide milled for a RDS? How did you attach yours?

I was thinking, is that a good place to add some weight to slow down the slide.

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

I went with the M&P because it seemed drop in compared to the Glocks. It takes minor sanding/polishing but nothing significant

The M&P trigger pull for the first shot is unchanged from the semi gun. The way the FRT works is that when the slide cycles, a tab at the rear of the slide hits the trigger bar to push it forward and sideways to put it back onto the sear. No trigger slap that I’ve noticed. I have to manually and slowly cycle the gun to confirm it’s actually resetting the trigger. It’s that small of a “slap”

The TX22 is also unchanged for the trigger pull. It has a more firm trigger reset when cycled by hand. While shooting I don’t notice any reset

I bought this gun: https://www.kygunco.com/product/taurus-tx22-toro-22lr-22rd-16rd-viridian-rfx11-green-dot-black

I ordered a 10% reduced tx22 recoil spring today. I don’t know if it’ll work with the frt and a can. People with regular semis and cans say it makes it work better

It should at least help with the cheaper lower powered ammo that wouldn’t cycle my gun properly (hopefully)

With any and all ammo (other than subs which I haven’t tried yet) and a can or cheaper ammo and no can, the malfs were fte and stovepipes. I can’t understand how adding mass would help that?

I printed a glock

now this is cool! Did you post any details or pics of the print?

 

[jt526]

JT526
Where did you purchase that chassis?
And what size tx22 does it fit compact or standard?

PSA is having a sale on the compact tx22 with three 16 rnd mags, two 22 rnd mags, 1/2x28 barrel & hard case for 269.99 plus what ever it cost for the tax & shipping.
Pretty decent since the 22 rnd mags are 30 bux each and the 16's are 22 bux each.

it is a B&T Glock large frame chassis for, the USW-G20 and I spent about a week designing and testing 5 parts so that other than trimming about 1/8 of material off the back, it is a drop in fit. It fits the standard. Parts are out of PA6-CF and the cocking backplate adapter has held up for like 1000 racks and maybe 1500 rounds so I am decently confident in the parts.

Only thing I wish is that the Tx22 was select semi, I might try this same thing with the M&P 22 I guess they have a protype selector for.

And that’s the one I have in my cart! Just got a free shipping offer as well, so about to pull the trigger.

 

[Deerhurst]

I’ve found the exact opposite with many LEO encounters. I’m sure this is a regional difference. Weapons are absolutely everywhere in Alaska.

If I have a LEO encounter it’s usually happenstance meetings where they want to chat like a civilian while I’m carrying around town or else while I’m shooting MGs at a range. I’ve never shown a form-4 or been asked to prove anything was legal.

From the LEO encounters with FRTs I’ve read about on the internet FRT groups, I haven’t yet read of anyone getting arrested anywhere (recently or even pre-ATF reversal)

Has anyone heard of any arrests since the reversal? There’s 100,000s of thousands (?) of these things out there. Arrests aren’t happening for FRTs. Arrests aren’t happening for not carrying a form 4 with a MG

I agree with your point that a cop can arrest you for anything. That’s a risk we all take

Around here if the LEO does bother to stop he is probably going to want to do a mag dump, giggle a bit and be on his way.

I honestly don't carry any stamps with me except the MG and I've never been asked for a single one by anyone. The AFT does says I need to be able to present the form, they don't say when. Law enforcement/AFT can also check by SN without the paperwork on hand.


That SBR is slick!

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

No luck with the tx22 frt with subsonics and a can. I got a small burst but mostly the malfs seem to be live round in chamber and dead trigger

Supers with a can are now malfing that way also.


They both had stronger ejection than last time so there’s probably some break in stuff happening

I’ll try the -10 recoil spring when it arrives

I’ve never shot the gun as a straight semi with a can so I don’t have a baseline to compare to.

 

[strobro32]

That link I posted earlier has a video of guy using a bigger/heavier RDS (Aimpoint ACRO P-2, 2.1 oz) so the ROF slows down enough to use a suppressor. Try a heaver optic.

For those using TX22s w/o RDS, self adhesive tungsten weights will be in season this year.

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

I’ve been a hold out on RDS. This is my first. I don’t have others to try on hand

You did give me an idea though to see how I can just temporarily add weight to the slide to see if it functions. I have to make a 5 hour motorcycle ride today so you gave me something fun to think about

 

[strobro32]

I would not want a blurry fuzzy dot on my buzzzzzz gun.

Stick on wheel weights just to test?