UZI or MAC?

[Battering ram NIB]

I got my GI Uzi NIB w/ 20 mags and wood stock for $13,000 a few months ago off GB

for $14k you can easily get a NIB Vector or GI Uzi.....they come up on GB monthly for $14k or less NIB.

$14k will also buy you a FNC NIB(a Minty/almost NIB FNC recently sold for $11k in 1 day) or a shooter M16 conversion

 

[ATL_Matt]

Op, I don't know allot about the Mac - tried a few but none with a Lage which I hear is an entirely different gun. Do have an Uzi (mini) as well as an M16 and HK sear (lots of hosts). My ranking for shootability, investment, fun is; HK, Uzi then M-16. I would go for an Uzi before an M16 - just more fun to shoot, cheaper to run, etc. Yes, you can get a 9mm upper for the 16 but there are other problems with that and for me, the Uzi sees the range more. Not sure how I'd feel with a full size - shot them but kind of boring after the mini.

Not to tempt but I'd gladly part with the M16 and Uzi before I sold my HK sear. It was the last of my big F/A acquisitions (terribly expensive) but it simply is the bomb with tons of hosts from a micro MP5K, SD, .223 to a belt fed 308. I waited and saved a long time but it's the shit ;-). Matt

 

[Garrett]

I suppose it depends on what you want to do with it. I have an M11/9 and a Group Uzi. I used to have a MAC10/45 with a 9mm conversion. I ran a TASK slow fire conversion before Lage started building slow fire uppers. The only change I've Uzi was to have BWE add a feed ramp so it would run ammo other than round nose.

While it's true there are more options & accessories for the MAC series, it's because they need them to become "like an Uzi". My Uzi cost about what a tricked out M11 goes for today. My M11 cost slightly less than what I paid for one of my Lage uppers.

I really like my Uzi, but if I was shopping for one today, I'd get an M11/9. It's not a military gun, and it's not as robust. But it doesn't need to be, for a recreational shooter. It does everything I need it to at half the price. The Uzi can do .45 ACP which the M11 can't. Again, it depends on what you want out of it. I have 5 different caliber conversions for the Uzi but I rarely shoot it I anything other than 9mm.

One thing, the Uzi suppresses very well with no gas blowback issues. The MAC 10 seems a little noisier, but again no blowback. The M11/9 suppressed blows all sorts of gas back into the shooter's face. Gas blocks can help quite a bit, but it's something to be aware of.

As noted, I the $14K price range, you can get an FNC or an AC556. At that point you're pretty close to an AR15 conversion. I nearly bought a converted AR on a couple of occasions, but never quite got there. Again, I'd probably convert it to 9mm and shoot that 95% of the time. But that's me.

Good luck with your decision.

 

[klyph12]

I forgot to mention in my previous post - just as Garrett says - my Max 11/Lage is more gassy than my Uzi when running them suppressed

 

[Garrett]

I forgot to mention in my previous post - just as Garrett says - my Max 11/Lage is more gassy than my Uzi when running them suppressed

And some cans are worse than others. The smaller cans generally work the gasses harder. This usually translates to more back pressure and more blowback.

The bigger subgun cans generally do better. Any more, I only run my Bowers cans on the M11 with the OEM or the MAX-11 upper. I refuse to run the Teident-9 on either of those uppers any more.

The MAX-31 doesn't seem to have that issue, probably because the chamber is much farther away from the shooter's face.

Also, I haven't figured out if relative humidity or barometric pressure plays a role, as some days it isn't bad at all, and other days the same ammo/can combo can choke you out.

 

[greenpeas]

I got my GI Uzi NIB w/ 20 mags and wood stock for $13,000 a few months ago off GB

for $14k you can easily get a NIB Vector or GI Uzi.....they come up on GB monthly for $14k or less NIB.

$14k will also buy you a FNC NIB(a Minty/almost NIB FNC recently sold for $11k in 1 day) or a shooter M16 conversion

You seem to have a boner for NIB. Why buy NIB if you're going to shoot your gun?

Also, NIB means NIB, "almost NIB" and "minty" don't mean shit.

 

[RMA]

If I did not have my RR GI gun already I would opt for this one all day long, seriously this is the one to get IMO.
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...sults_format=long&db_id=26749&query=retrieval

 

[Battering ram NIB]

You seem to have a boner for NIB. Why buy NIB if you're going to shoot your gun?

Also, NIB means NIB, "almost NIB" and "minty" don't mean shit.

yes they do......to me....if your the kinda guy who throws his guns in his truck bed it means nothing....but if you are anal and take care of your stuff it means a lot....do you want a gun all scratched to hell? or do you want a gun that looks like new?....my 1st gun (glock 19) from 24 years ago has about 10,000 rounds through it...but because i take care of it the exterior looks like new still......by getting a gun NIB or Minty i can keep the exterior looking Minty forever.....by getting a gun thats been a shooter for someone who doesnt take care of them like i do they will be all marred up......resale----which will sell quicker and for more? one that has no exterior blemishes or one that looks like someone took sand paper to the exterior

yes i have a boner for a lot of things.....NIB guns is one of them....my guns all look new, my cars look new....many of my expensive belongings i take care of and keep them looking like new.....

id gladly pay 10-15% premium for NIB any day.....i know when i shoot my uzi i will lose a $1000 on day 1 in value because of it....but ill have a blemish free gun for the rest of my life...something i wouldnt have if i simply bought used and in shooter condition.....

 

[Battering ram NIB]

If I did not have my RR GI gun already I would opt for this one all day long, seriously this is the one to get IMO.
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...sults_format=long&db_id=26749&query=retrieval

if your in a hurry and cant wait for a NIB Vector i agree this one

 

[Samuel_Hoggson]

if your in a hurry and cant wait for a NIB Vector i agree this one

Agree. The semi feed ramps are a plus, too.

 

[hkg3k]

My subgun experience is limited to macs, Uzi, Thompson, mp5, and colt 635. With that being said...

it's more desirable to me as I've got it set than any other subgun aside from the $30k+ mp5.

Wow. I know Mac forum here is popular and all....you would really pick your M11/9 over your Uzi, Thompson and 9mm Colt smg?

I have 5 different "Macs" of different models and setups and I wouldn't pick a single one of them over of my Uzi, MP5 or M16/9mm. I've never owned a Thompson cause they don't "fit" me.

I like Macs and they're neat and really versatile now.....just not in the same league as the Uzi, MP5 or M16/9mm IMO.

 

[~Josh]

Don't own them, just fired thousands of rounds through them over the years. And to be perfectly honest, my favorites are
1) mp5 without a doubt -smooth, low recoil, accurate out to long ranges
2) colt 635 but needs to be set up differently than I experienced (red dot, shorter barrel/suppressed)
3) my m11/9 set up the way I have it set up, especially the slow-fire and red dot, 3-lug suppressed
4) thompson, heavy and clunky, I don't like iron sights on full auto
5) Uzi with folding stock. I'm not as accurate with it as the others. Has the cheap stamped metal feel/ergonomics of the mac but without reason for it being double the cost compared to my set-up. I do like the double feed mags very much though.

Wow. I know Mac forum here is popular and all....you would really pick your M11/9 over your Uzi, Thompson and 9mm Colt smg?

I have 5 different "Macs" of different models and setups and I wouldn't pick a single one of them over of my Uzi, MP5 or M16/9mm. I've never owned a Thompson cause they don't "fit" me.

I like Macs and they're neat and really versatile now.....just not in the same league as the Uzi, MP5 or M16/9mm IMO.

 

[~Josh]

Stock for stock an Uzi is (kinda) twice the gun as the Mac (especially the zytel mag'd versions) so I do see the value. Sorry to sound like a hater, only meant to say macs can be made to be great with a little work. Love mine, but I've spent a lot of time modding the exact gun I've wanted since a kid (bad guys in movies) to the way I knew would turn out well. There's good an bad to everything.

 

[RMA]

I can never get the same tight groupings w my reg sear sp89/k gun the way my RR Uzi does, slower ROF helps obviously but the shot placement is not as consistant as the Uzi.

 

[TexPaul]

I have both. The 9mm Uzi is very accurate on semi and reasonably controllable on FA. The UZI occasionally has a mis-feed and needs more maintenance. 9mm ammo is lightweight and easily carried to the range. The .45ACP Mac is accurate on semi and controllable on FA only with short bursts. The Mac has never had a mis-feed. It runs perfectly. .45ACP ammo is very heavy. I love both! If I had to choose one for personal defense, it would be the Mac because of its absolute reliability.

 

[RoverDave]

The UZI occasionally has a mis-feed and needs more maintenance.

Do you have a Vector UZI?

 

[Alaska_Shooter]

I've found over the years that it's not a logic decision for me. It's a desire. A Mac-10 was my first NFA gun and it would be the last one I would sell. Something about a stock Mac-10 just does it for me. I've bought some guns in the past on logic and I just end up still wanting the gun that I have a 'want' for. Good luck with the decision.

 

[rhouston8]

I sold a 9mm MAC10 and an M11/9 to buy my UZI

UZIs and MACs have both just about doubled in price since 2012

Why did I sell the MACs?

Well, I had no complaints about the MACs, but a MAC is a MAC and an UZI is an UZI.

The UZI is a legendary, iconic, highly desired gun among gun collectors and the MAC is not.

+1. I agree with this. BUT I didn't sell my Mac!

 

[shadeone]

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Just scroll up. The answer to your question becomes quite clear.

 

[Eric]

I also own both full size Uzis and MACs (actually M-11/Nines with Lage MAX-11 uppers).

I have always considered the Uzi my favorite gun and the last that I would ever choose to sell. It's simplicity and durability is unparalleled. Part of my attachment for it is the fact that my Vector .22 conversion was available much sooner than the Lage .22 kit; and for me is more reliable than the Lage version (but only with the Vector mags, not the Black Dog mags). Consequently, I bonded to the Uzi earlier. That bond is pretty strong but subsequently, I upgraded my M-11s with the Lage MAX-11 uppers and later the Lage M-11/22 kits and they have grown on me. Differences I still see:

There is only one technical area where I consider the MAX-11 superior to the Uzi and that is the rail for mounting optics. The Uzi was not designed for any optics and any mount represents some type of kluge. That said, I have rails on my Uzi top covers that are solid and the top covers are adjusted such that my EOTechs hold zero very well but they are EOTech 511s (the short kind with N batteries). I prefer the EOTech 512s that use AA batteries because they last much longer and are easier to find. My MAX-11s have 512s on them. The EOTech XPS versions with the transverse 123 batteries would be fine on either. Smaller red dots like Docter optics or Burris Fastfires would be fine on either but I much prefer the EOTechs to any red dot because of the 65 MOA circle reticle and 1 MOA dot .

The MAX-11 is easy to field strip and clean but the Uzi is super easy and I prefer to clean the Uzi.

With the MAX-11 upper, they are both cool looking. But when someone asks what you own, saying you own an Uzi sounds much cooler.

I like the Uzi mags better than MAC mags. The ZMAGs are very good and maybe excellent but most Uzi mags are excellent and are much easier to load because of the double stack design. Moreover, they are easily available in more size variations that I actually shoot (25, 32, and 40). I do have a Vector drum but never feel like using it. See my review of MAC mags here:
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showt...w-of-M-11-Nine-Magazines-Zytel-PAM-2-and-ZMAG

Of course, there is one big advantage to the M-11/Nine. It is much cheaper. Get two for the price of one Uzi. I doubt you would regret it and your kid(s) would thank you.