Uzi's any more or less reliable than a MAC ?

[ballthree]

Just wondering what people's experiences are. A Lage kit and a MAC can be had for about $8,900. I wondered if there is any real functional difference aside from just being a different make.

Thanks

 

[hfoster223]

My experience, uzi is very reliable,the m11 9mm swd, semi reliable, add the max31 with the 70rd drums and its back to very reliable, both suppressed, i get more gas from the max31, but it will dump the drum, uzi dumps mag after mag

 

[SecondAmend]

With respect to the SWD M11/9 model of the Ingram firearms family, you may find this thread of interest:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_22/213538_M11_owners__reliable_guns_.html

Also keep in mind that at least a portion of the pricing of NFA firearms is based on supply and demand. There are estimated to be over 38,000 Ingram family transferable machineguns. Seventeen thousand of them are the SWD M11/9. There are estimated to be only between eight and ten thousand transferable Uzi machineguns including registered bolts.

Best of luck with whatever you decide to pursue.

 

[wrongrecroom]

Both simply open bolt guns so yes really both run pretty darn good the only MAC I know of that were problem childs were the Texas macs

Having dealt with a MAC10 I would def get either a MAC11 or maybe a mac10/45 skip the 9mm the lack of uppers and mags is a pain ... I was a kid of the 80s so I loved them both to me I think a UZI looks a little more cool

 

[PDXsparky]

My FA Uzi is still in NFA jail, but my SWD M11/9 with a Lage Max-11 upper runs more reliably than the MP5's it has shot against in competition.

 

[sleepy]

My Uzi runs as reliable as my M10/9mm with Uzi grip conversion. Lol!

 

[arch stanton]

Ultimately the Uzi is a winner for reliability. However the Mac family of guns with the Lage uppers are great reliable starter sub-guns for a smaller budget.

 

[Eric]

Just wondering what people's experiences are. A Lage kit and a MAC can be had for about $8,900. I wondered if there is any real functional difference aside from just being a different make.

Thanks

Here is the functional difference:

The Uzi uses double stack mags. Most MACs and particularly the M-11/Nine use single stack mags. The Uzi is generally more reliable because the mags are rarely responsible for feeding issues. The MACs are generally less reliable because the mags are frequently responsible for feeding issues. However with a good reliable mag, the MAC is comparable to the Uzi in reliability though I would still give the Uzi the edge in durability or robustness.

Although there are pretty reliable MAC mags available, in my experience (3 MAC and 3 Uzis), none of the MAC mags are as reliable as a typical surplus Uzi 25 or 32 round mag. In any random sample of MAC mags, probably some will need some level of effort such as modifying feed lips (Zytel and PAM 2) or lubrication (ZMAG) to make them reliable for brass AND steel case ammo. In a random sample of Uzi mags, probably none will need any effort or lubrication to be reliable for either brass or steel case ammo. My fairly comprehensive review of M-11/Nine mags is located here:

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showt...w-of-M-11-Nine-Magazines-Zytel-PAM-2-and-ZMAG

Surplus Uzi mags are plentiful, cheap (as low as $10), reliable and easy to load. My experience is that Uzi mags can have quite a bit of corrosion and still be reliable.

New or used MAC mags are less available, more expensive ($20 for Zytels, $35+ for steel mags) and harder to load, sometimes much harder to load (PAM 2). That said, a Lage MAX-11 with ZMAGs running brass ammo is much less expensive than an Uzi but comparably reliable.

 

[rhouston8]

Ultimately the Uzi is a winner for reliability. However the Mac family of guns with the Lage uppers are great reliable starter sub-guns for a smaller budget.

+1. My sentiments exactly

 

[RoverDave]

Just from my personal experience at local subgun matches, the M11/9 with Max-11 uppers frequently have feed issues due to magazines. I think that's one of the reasons that the Max-31 is so popular. It lets you use more reliable magazines.

 

[Zohan]

It would really depends on how you are going to use it. If it will be used as a range toy poor reliability is just annoyance but will give you good practice clearing the gun. If your life dependent on this gun it is completely different story.

Would you really want to use a NFA MG for self defense? ... I can see it makings some headlines even if it is 100% self defense. It will look like executive force was used. your $$$ gun will sit in police evidence for a long long time.
IMO MG should be used for SD if no other options are available.

That aside Uzi got much more than reliability on its side over MAC thats why the price point difference

 

[mike]

I had a RPB Mac 9mm that made me crazy I had more problems with it and put more money into it and in the end I just gave up and sold never looked back. I replaced just about every part on the gun except the lower and still couldn't get it to run reliable. I sent it to Sam he worked on it and got it running but the time and expense that it put me through left a bad taste in my mouth. Now my UZI on the other hand just keep on running....so far. Fingers crossed.

 

[thompson4433]

Either the MAC or UZI should never jam. They are both reliable designs. The MAC10 is an underrated gun.

I had a 9mm MAC10 with the UZI grip installed by Practical Solutions and it virtually never jammed ever.

What the other poster said above is true. The heart of any autoloader is the magazine. Good mags are important to having a gun run good.


That having been said, if you can afford an UZI, then get the UZI.

Always get the best collectable you can afford. Nobody ever complained that they made a mistake by buying the next level up. Not once ever.

Did anyone ever say, "Ohh, I wish I had bought a 383 instead of a 440 mopar."

Right now UZIs are $12 to $14k guns, if you wait they are going to be $20k before you know it.

UZIs are one of the guns that virtually every single "gun guy" in the USA wants. The others being the M16, Thompson and MP5.

I bought my UZI NIB at $8000 just a few years ago and that was a high end rip-off dealer price at the time. Now the gun is worth close to double that.

 

[Ericoak]

It would really depends on how you are going to use it. If it will be used as a range toy poor reliability is just annoyance but will give you good practice clearing the gun. If your life dependent on this gun it is completely different story.

Would you really want to use a NFA MG for self defense? ... I can see it makings some headlines even if it is 100% self defense. It will look like executive force was used. your $$$ gun will sit in police evidence for a long long time.
IMO MG should be used for SD if no other options are available.

That aside Uzi got much more than reliability on its side over MAC thats why the price point difference

That has like nothing to do with the price point...

 

[Ericoak]

You asked this this in the Uzi forum so I wonder what answer you are going to get.

But anyways I always had more problems with Uzi's then Macs. I'd say the 6 transferables I tried, 3 chocked a couple times every magazines and the fourth just occasionally. They got tinkered with and run properly, but the magazines are the only advantage an Uzi has for me personally
Eta: The m11/9s needed some tinkering to run right as well. Really, if they are in spec both are extremely simple guns and should work great.

 

[Inkognito]

You asked this this in the Uzi forum so I wonder what answer you are going to get.

But anyways I always had more problems with Uzi's then Macs. I'd say the 6 transferables I tried, 3 chocked a couple times every magazines and the fourth just occasionally. They got tinkered with and run properly, but the magazines are the only advantage an Uzi has for me personally
Eta: The m11/9s needed some tinkering to run right as well. Really, if they are in spec both are extremely simple guns and should work great.

just wondering where you pick up such shit Uzis?

 

[MGMAN45]

just wondering where you pick up such shit Uzis?

THIS

 

[MGMAN45]

Either the MAC or UZI should never jam. They are both reliable designs. The MAC10 is an underrated gun.

I had a 9mm MAC10 with the UZI grip installed by Practical Solutions and it virtually never jammed ever.

What the other poster said above is true. The heart of any autoloader is the magazine. Good mags are important to having a gun run good.


That having been said, if you can afford an UZI, then get the UZI.

Always get the best collectable you can afford. Nobody ever complained that they made a mistake by buying the next level up. Not once ever.

Did anyone ever say, "Ohh, I wish I had bought a 383 instead of a 440 mopar."

Right now UZIs are $12 to $14k guns, if you wait they are going to be $20k before you know it.

UZIs are one of the guns that virtually every single "gun guy" in the USA wants. The others being the M16, Thompson and MP5.

I bought my UZI NIB at $8000 just a few years ago and that was a high end rip-off dealer price at the time. Now the gun is worth close to double that.

I bought my Powder Springs M10 in 45 in 1984 for 350.00.Never a malfunction.

 

[umwminer]

in my experience , the M10 is the more reliable weapon. Powder Springs guns will feed empty brass and will feed, fire, extract any other bullet configuration you can stack in the mag EVERY time. In my opinion the weak link in the UZI is the top cover. Also , the grip safety is too easily non engaged , particularly in emergencies (easily remedied) .