What’s the deal on M10 prices? Is $8k asked by Ruben for real?

[Gaujo]

I got the same treatment with another big name dealer who advertises on the web a lot. He offers a fast quote. About a year ago, I email him -- I said I've got a SWD M11/NINE and a full size Vector Uzi -- He emails me back: $8000 -- I reply 'how much for the M11/NINE' -- he responds 'that's for both guns'. I can understand that the guy has to make some money, but come on, that's highway robbery.

These guys probably do a lot of business from widows or inheriting children that aren't shooters and want the collection gone today. Sad fact of such a low liquidity market, but it's why my guns will be earmarked well before my demise.

 

[rybread]

These guys probably do a lot of business from widows or inheriting children that aren't shooters and want the collection gone today. Sad fact of such a low liquidity market, but it's why my guns will be earmarked well before my demise.

This is accurate. And wise advice!

 

[plodder]

my guns will be earmarked well before my demise.

Yes, wise advice. But if you haven't already earmarked them do you know what day will be the day of your demise?

 

[cjsoccer3]

I got the same treatment with another big name dealer who advertises on the web a lot. He offers a fast quote. About a year ago, I email him -- I said I've got a SWD M11/NINE and a full size Vector Uzi -- He emails me back: $8000 -- I reply 'how much for the M11/NINE' -- he responds 'that's for both guns'. I can understand that the guy has to make some money, but come on, that's highway robbery.

Holy god. $8k for both that’s laughable. I think asking $8k for a Mac is still laughable.

 

[panhead5]

Holy god. $8k for both that’s laughable. I think asking $8k for a Mac is still laughable.

Don't laugh too hard. Everyday someone thinks a hot item is too expensive gives it another day to go up in value or get harder to find. Believe as I just pulled the trigger on a too expensive M11/9.

 

[skoda]

Don't laugh too hard. Everyday someone thinks a hot item is too expensive gives it another day to go up in value or get harder to find. Believe as I just pulled the trigger on a too expensive M11/9.

A few years ago a friend of mine wanted an M11/9 but $6000 was 'too much' so he kept looking for a bargain priced gun. As of last week he still hasn't found one for less than $6000. What do you think that his chances are now? He might still find one but that possibility seems to be fading into the sunset.

 

[challenger70rt]

Holy god. $8k for both that’s laughable. I think asking $8k for a Mac is still laughable.

And 5 years from now you’ll think that $8k was damn cheap when they’re trading for $15k. People pay $30k+\- for an mp5 and I think that’s laughable, but yet there’s people out there everyday with more scratch then me lining up to pick one up. Meanwhile, with the detachable upper/lower platform and aftermarket development, the mac’s are easily on track to become one of the most versatile transferable’s out there right behind an M16.

 

[9406170]

A few years ago a friend of mine wanted an M11/9 but $6000 was 'too much' so he kept looking for a bargain priced gun. As of last week he still hasn't found one for less than $6000. What do you think that his chances are now? He might still find one but that possibility seems to be fading into the sunset.

No, it's not fading, it's faded. No chance, 0%, we're well past that point. An M11/NINE for $7000 would be a good deal.

 

[cjsoccer3]

And 5 years from now you’ll think that $8k was damn cheap when they’re trading for $15k. People pay $30k+\- for an mp5 and I think that’s laughable, but yet there’s people out there everyday with more scratch then me lining up to pick one up. Meanwhile, with the detachable upper/lower platform and aftermarket development, the mac’s are easily on track to become one of the most versatile transferable’s out there right behind an M16.

I could eat my words haha. It does have more supply by a multiple of any other NFA FA though I don’t think M10/45s though should be as near to M11/9s. It will be likely 4 years until anything new comes out for an M10/45. I feel like there’s a discount associated with that time horizon.

Economies crash, people die, things change - while I think it’s an excellent deal for those who push out these uppers and make them (they will always be - and I’ll buy every one that comes out). I intrinsically look at a MAC and go “it’s what it was last year plus the 10/31” right now. $6k to $8k on speculation 4 years out makes bubbles. For example, Uzi prices are in near free fall as machineguncentralnfolks undercut each self.

 

[xdamagedx]

I'm still seeing old timer snobbery on other forums about how MACs shouldnt be selling for what they are... kinda funny. "I'm not spending more than $5k on something that was originally $200 and a $200 tax stamp", cool, don't. I did and dont regret it.

 

[A&S Conversions]

I'm still seeing old timer snobbery on other forums about how MACs shouldnt be selling for what they are... kinda funny. "I'm not spending more than $5k on something that was originally $200 and a $200 tax stamp", cool, don't. I did and dont regret it.

I find that exceptionally bizarre in that my DIAS was originally $40 in 1981 and now has a market value of over $30,000.

Scott

 

[BMad]

I'm still seeing old timer snobbery on other forums about how MACs shouldnt be selling for what they are... kinda funny. "I'm not spending more than $5k on something that was originally $200 and a $200 tax stamp", cool, don't. I did and dont regret it.

“Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.”

 

[bacon]

I find it exceptionally bizarre that anyone would think that a finite good would not increase exponentially over over 37 years. Unless the laws change I would expect that in two to six years(political calendar) that asking prices will be at least double what they are now. :-O

Carry on.

 

[Mackjack]

I find it exceptionally bizarre that anyone would think that a finite good would not increase exponentially over over 37 years. Unless the laws change I would expect that in two to six years(political calendar) that asking prices will be at least double what they are now. :-O

Carry on.

I would agree.

 

[ftldrben]

Ruben has been a good friend and supplier of my high-end MG's for years. Yes, he charges more (and I live in FL/taxed) but I'm not risking $20K-$50K on a 'dealer'/seller across the country. Just not worth the effort/risk. You pay for it but the guy's 100% reliable.
Like any dealer, he's not going to give you market price if you want to sell back to him. Just post on Sturm or Sub (take good pics!) and you'll get your number when you sell.

 

[cjsoccer3]

I think MACs are already more adaptable than an M16. Second only to auto sears. And honestly, after some time not even those. If you can get a buzz bomb OEM setup, Uzi / MP7 like setups, 22lr uppers, 5.56 uppers, 7.62 uppers (new and incoming), etc. That is really really hard to match.

When the M16 gets retired by the army, I think it’ll lose some of its appeal via the “cool” factor and these MACs will tick up higher. These are not closed bolt - but you can’t really precision fire on FA anyway.

 

[TSPC]

I think MACs are already more adaptable than an M16. Second only to auto sears. And honestly, after some time not even those. If you can get a buzz bomb OEM setup, Uzi / MP7 like setups, 22lr uppers, 5.56 uppers, 7.62 uppers (new and incoming), etc. That is really really hard to match.

Love the MACs and I hope the day comes when many more uppers are available. However, they can't compare to what's available for an M16 registered receiver right now. There are belt fed uppers in 556, 9mm and 22LR. Multiple, easily swappable 556 uppers, 300 BLK uppers, 9mm uppers, AM180 open bolt drum upper, and 22 conversions that you don't have to wait months to get. The MAX 11/15 is a huge step in the right direction but MACs can't match the versatility of an M16 yet.

 

[A&S Conversions]

Well, I have to agree with "TSPC". At least currently, the M16 family of firearms has many more options than the the Mac style RRs. That might not be true forever, but it is true right now. The M16 is limited by the magwell and the Mac style RR is not. Certainly those caliber options are possible but not currently available.

Scott

 

[Renegade]

$6,800 with a suppressor gets no bites/bids. The sionics I think requires wipes which the latest ATF ruling has made it into a paperweight.

It will use a wipe, but it does not require one.

 

[A&S Conversions]

$6,800 with a suppressor gets no bites/bids. The sionics I think requires wipes which the latest ATF ruling has made it into a paperweight.

A Sonics suppressor is not a "paperweight". It is a registered tube. There are manufactures that can recore older suppressors with modern baffles. Some like the history of having the original tube. The Max-10/15 is pretty far out, but if something comes to market like that, I could see this package being snapped up pretty quick.

Scott