what all do i still need to complete my galil kit

[32kcolg]

ive been collecting parts to build an early South African galil r4 clone and im wondering if you all can help me make a list of all the parts i still need as i am no galil expert your guys help will be greatly appreciated. the only part that i already have that im not really keen on is the barrel. from what i understand these barrels were contracted out and they lack the proper twist and chrome lining even though they are being marketed as original imi barrels. so im on the look out for a true original as id like to be able to shoot heavier grain ammo. also i know im missing the trigger guard and catch so i need to figure out where to come up with those parts. i am a stickler for orig parts but how are the repos that were being made by a member here (i cant remember who) or what are all of you using?
the receiver is a assault weapons of ohio reciever that i picked up for $64 or so shipped awhile ago. (its oil on the reciever not rust )the price made me nervous but they said they were gtg and if any prob were found during the build they would exchange it. i will be having tenngalil build it so i think if anyone can make a work of art using the reciever its him.
a special thanks to mr folgers for all his help and parts including the orig wood sa r4 forward grip (its not 100% and it needs a little tlc but i think it perfect )

here are some pics of what i have. please let me know what im missing.

thanks to all in advance !

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[lcastillo]

From what I can tell your are missing the trigger and hammer axis pins. I have SA hammer if you need one. Are you planning to use a Tapco trigger set for your build? If Jeff is putting yours together he will have Tapco trigger sets. I would contact member Don Vito and see if he has any magazine catch assemblies left. He made a run of these and that is what I used on my R5 build. They work great. Jeff Miller might have some of these in stock its worth giving him a call. I have 3 trigger guards off Guatemalan SAR kits but they are slightly different from the SA type trigger guard. You are welcome to one if you like. Lou

 

[lcastillo]

One more thing I might add is that the early R4's that where made in Isreal did not have the flange at the end of the gas tube. The flames where added later when Denel/Vektor started production in South Africa. You are correct that the early R4's had the alloy folding stock. Good job looks like your are coming right along with your early R4's build. Lou

 

[32kcolg]

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and your offers. As for the trigger group last time I spoke with Jeff he said the tapcos were the most hassle free so yes I'll prob go that route. The SA hammer you speak of, would I still use that if going with a tapco?(sorry if thats a stupid question). As for the trigger guard can you explain how they are different and are the copies don Vito made close to being correct for the r4. One last thing you said the gas tube isn't correct can you point me towards the one that is, and do you think I could find someone willing to trade mine for one?

Sorry for the rambling

And I lied one more question( maybe) would the barrels for these have been chrome lined and what is the proper twist ?

Thanks again!

 

[32kcolg]

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and your offers. As for the trigger group last time I spoke with Jeff he said the tapcos were the most hassle free so yes I'll prob go that route. The SA hammer you speak of, would I still use that if going with a tapco?(sorry if thats a stupid question). As for the trigger guard can you explain how they are different and are the copies don Vito made close to being correct for the r4. One last thing you said the gas tube isn't correct can you point me towards the one that is, and do you think I could find someone willing to trade mine for one?

Sorry for the rambling

And I lied one more question( maybe) would the barrels for these have been chrome lined and what is the proper twist ?

Thanks again!

 

[RSR]

I'd guess they were 1-12 twist.

Assault Weapons of Ohio has had 1-9 twist barrels in stock. Jeff nitrides them which displaces their thin chrome job. And overall is a better barrel finish anyways. Suppose that you could ask him to not. You should be kosher to 68-70 grain bullets with a 1-9 twist, but could definitely shoot the 62 gr green tip, where that's dicey w/ a 1-12 twist...

1-7 twist for is really ideal for 65-80 grain bullets (the 68-77 grain match bullets).

I don't know when R4s rear handguard holders were switched in SA, but 24hour does have at least a few of the R4 handguard holders w/o the carry handles in stock if you email him.

He also has mag releases and and mag release springs. Blackthrone has trigger guards and mag catch assemblies -- I'm sure someone else can chime in on which is most accurate -- again, can't tell you.

 

[32kcolg]

Thank you,
Other than their crappy chrome lining how is the quality of the AWO barrels, or do you think I should hold out for a true original?

I think I'll keep the carry handle. I believe the first batches into SA had them ( & I like em). Other than the gas tube are there any other parts that are incorrect for an early r4 that I have or any that I should be looking for to make it more period correct?

Also I see a lot of criticism about the AWO recievers should I discard the one I have and try to save up for a CNC warrior? I hate not to take advantage of the reciever I have as I got it for such a low price, ($64 shipped compared to $500 for the CNC:/)but I also don't want it to be looked down on because of it or have it kill the value as I am putting a lot of time effort and $ into this build.
How correct is the styling of the AWO reciever for being correct for an early SA r4? The early SA r4s had a scope rail cut in correct and was later dropped for just a lightning cut? How about the lighting cut on the charging handle side or any other features?

Sorry for all of the questions, I'm just trying to soak up as much knowledge as I can from all of you and this site

Thanks as always!

 

[mrf2]

You are correct that the first batches of South African R4s had carry handles. The SADF then removed the handles from the brackets before replacing them with a part without the fitting. AR/ARM length gas tubes have become very hard to find, there are lots of R4 and SAR length tubes floating around. You may have to use your R4 tube as a place holder until you find one. The first R4s also used the IMI standard bird cage and not the later SA version with a different grenade spring.

As for the cuts, a scope cut and lighting cut on the ejection port side is correct based on pictures I've seen of early rifles (alloy stock, wood HG, scope mounts, carry handle, standard ARM gas tubes, IMI birdcage).

The AWO receiver is chancy but at that price it was a good deal. Externally it looks like an R4 receiver when the lighting cut is added. Not sure how it will affect value, I have a few CNC warrior receivers and a few ORF (before they were AWO) and all have been built by Jeff and all work fine. You will be hard pressed to get the money out of a clone like this that you put into it. Most of us that build clones of rare rifles enjoy hunting for parts and building the rifle as part of the process. Buyers rarely appreciate and compensate us for the time and money spent to find exactly the right part. Look at the AK market as a guide. Maybe send the receiver to Jeff to have him look at it before you decide to buy a CNC warrior receiver or not?

 

[RSR]

I believe the AWO barrels are green mountain. They just had them built for them and their customers. So they're fine, and IMO you really need more than 1-12" twist if you plan to shoot a variety of ammo...

 

[RSR]

Looks like you also need the stock pin spring and C clip. Mr Folgers might have. And he'll have the same price. If he doesn't, possible that 24hr does.

24hour sells an arsenal repair manual for R4s you might find intersting as well.

 

[gekishibu86]

Here's a diagram I borrowed from another site that can help you identify what other parts you're missing. Credit goes to Mr. Stephen Ricciardelli.