What next C3?

[sigfla]

Ok guys got the Uzi full size, got the M16, got the M11. What next? I was toying with the idea of a suppressed BHP 9mm but would stray if an HK deal came along.

 

[dustindu4]

Something belt fed. The HK is too much like the M11 and Uzi. Maybe a Shrike upper? If you want to wait a year for delivery that is.

 

[stymie]

Costa-Mesa Armalite AR-18s...

are pretty sweet & have a superb gas system... similar to an AK. As an investment... these will be tough to beat... especially in C&R only States. The Sterling steel 20, 30 & 40rd mags can be used in your M-16 with 100% reliability.

sigfla...

I love Browning High Powers & have a T-series & a Vector 511MM with tangent sights & slotted for the QD stock. The tilting/cammed bbl doesn't lend itself to reliable function when suppressed... even with a *booster*. An HK MK 23 with KAC suppressor & LAM would be my choice for a pistol. It was designed as a system... just like the MAC.

 

[jt325i]

You need a full auto HK91 or FAL in .308.

 

[dustindu4]

You definately need something .308 like an AK. I would buy an AK if anything.

:firingak

 

[Paul556]

I'm thinking you need something .30 caliber too. I Like AK's too, but you could just buy a 7.62X39 upper for the M16 to fill that need. An AR10 would accompany your M16 nicely. However, whenever I see the firing lines at the MG shoots a nice big belt-fed always jumps out at me. I think a 1919 would augment your collection remarkably.

 

[sigfla]

I think I am leaning towards the HK 91 .308. Belt feds just don't turn me on that much but then again I have never shot one. Dealer keeps telling me that once I see what it can do then I will end up with a belt fed. Buddy of mine already offered to split one with me if I wanted just for the hell of it. A belt fed HK might solve both issues since I am on the list already for a V53 SBR.

I have always had a thing for the HK's. If I get the RR with the (swing down?) pack I can swap between multiple dedicated weapons. It gives me more value for my C3 dollar, kinda like swapping the uppers on the M16. I already have an LRM 169 upper on order and as soon as i get the gun will pick up my 11.5 HMB in .223 and Kitty Kat in 7.5.

 

[Paul556]

I suggest you get some HK trigger time before you buy one. I loved HK's till I bought one. I loved Sig's till I bought one. Make sure you like them before you buy. If you want to swap the trigger pack around you might want to get a registered sear by itself, or make sure the sear gun you buy isn't married to the gun. It would make doing what you want easier. You can't swap the trigger pack on a RR swing down gun. You would be making another MG unless I misunderstand. I agree that they are very versital. Study up on the belt feds before you take the plung. I have heard some rumblings about them being a pain. Good luck.

 

[Z06]

AK next.
American 180 after that.
.380 MAC following those two.
...then belt-fed sickness will set in.
-Z06:uzi

 

[RoverDave]

I think I am leaning towards the HK 91 .308. Belt feds just don't turn me on that much but then again I have never shot one. Dealer keeps telling me that once I see what it can do then I will end up with a belt fed. Buddy of mine already offered to split one with me if I wanted just for the hell of it. A belt fed HK might solve both issues since I am on the list already for a V53 SBR.

I have always had a thing for the HK's. If I get the RR with the (swing down?) pack I can swap between multiple dedicated weapons. It gives me more value for my C3 dollar, kinda like swapping the uppers on the M16. I already have an LRM 169 upper on order and as soon as i get the gun will pick up my 11.5 HMB in .223 and Kitty Kat in 7.5.

No, a swing down pack cannot legally be put on a non-registered receiver. (If all the receiver's were registered there would be no need to swap packs.) The most economical way to do it is get a registered sear in a clipped and pinned pack and all the semi guns you want to run it in. You can then swap the pack into any of the guns.

The HK's really are great. I love shooting the .308 but it's not something I do regularly. It's just nice for a change of pace.

 

[MuzzleFlash]

...You can't swap the trigger pack on a RR swing down gun. You would be making another MG unless I misunderstand.

If the receiver itself is the registered MG and it is swingdown, there should be no reason that you can't swap factory F/A trigger packs unless the original registration somehow serialized and married the pack assembly to the receiver (which, btw, would be very dumb thing to do - even if no one saw the 86 ban coming).

 

[sigfla]

Ok, thanks for the info. I must admit I am not very knowledgable about the HK's. I have no idea what the practical difference is between the swing down v clipped and pinned v registered sear? I know on some setups it is easier to swap them around (I guess those are the clipped and pinned ones). I would think if the receiver is the registered part then you couldn't swap. it would be like taking the internals out of an M16 and dropping them in another gun. I must admit though I have no idea if that is correct or not. I will have to ask my dealer what is the best possible registered setup to swap from gun to gun.

I remember an earlier discussion regarding 2 SBR guns and a sear swap. He once presented me with that situation and highly suggests the SBR registration of the gun with the unassembled semi setup when trading auto sears. That way there is no way to get into trouble having an unregistered SBR with a unassembled semi sear or lower sitting around the shooting table.

 

[MuzzleFlash]

Ok, thanks for the info. I must admit I am not very knowledgable about the HK's. I have no idea what the practical difference is between the swing down v clipped and pinned v registered sear?

You may want to start here. I know the author and he really knows his stuff. He's written several articles for SAR including one on the various flavors of Uzi conversions.

HKPRO is a good place to snoop for historical info on H&K weapons too. It's a sort of religious site

 

[Renegade]

Ok, thanks for the info. I must admit I am not very knowledgable about the HK's. I have no idea what the practical difference is between the swing down v clipped and pinned v registered sear?

A factory HK SMG (say MP5) uses a swing down lower. A factory HK Semi (say HK94) uses a shelf version. The point being they are not interchangeable, and thus the semi is not readily swappable, which allowed the semi to be imported under GCA68.

Most HK SMG conversions use a registered sear, not a Registered Receiver, so you cannot modify the receiver to be swing down. Doing so it considered making another MG. But to get that authentic swing down look, you have your Semi lower "clipped and pinned" to look like a swing down.

Completely Cosmetic, like engraving your semi-auto Uzi "ARS".

 

[LRM]

HKG3 and HK53

SigFla

I had both HKs G3 and a factory Hk53
I sold both this year because they where no fun to shoot
at the MG shoot I might shoot 80rds out of the 53 and 60rds out of the G3 I would put them away just to make room for the guns being shoot

Out of the HKs I like my MP5 but I only shot it 3 times this year
The M-169 has seen over 30K+++ this past year so the Mp5 has became a safe queen(I gave the mp5 to my yongest boy)

I like shooting my AK74U (5.45x39) Krink over the HK53 and the Ak parts are a lot cheaper

The gun that goes to the range the most is the Steyr AUG

When you come up to Tallahassee to pick up your upper I'l let you shoot all of my guns

If I was to buy a Mg I would have to pick a Steyr AUG
I have a post sample 16" and love it

In 308 the Bretta 59 was the best and flat shooting full auto rifle I've shot so far and you can still pick them up cheap

I take that back the M60E3 is the best 308 to shoot

Paul556 is right you should get some trigger time behind a gun before you buy it

I sold my first AK74UN(.223) krink under folder to buy my HK53a3
Boy did I "F" up

The HK53 had more recoil then the Krink
Hk53 was Very Heavy
Harder to charge and clear a rd
Parts cost a lot
hard to clean
It makes me sick just to talk about it

Good side I made another Krink and sold the HK53 and made some money on the deal

There is a guy in my area that has a super nice AK for sale
drop me a e-mail and I'll give you his e-mail address

LRM

 

[RoverDave]

Re: HKG3 and HK53

I gave the mp5 to my yongest boy

Daddy!!!!

 

[dustindu4]

My buddy has one of the REAL factory AUG A2s in black (1 of like 40) with all matching serial numbers with a hammer pack in it. He is always shooting that thing. He has another black A2 that is all matching and is unfired.

We call him AUG Boy.

 

[stymie]

I love bullpups...

& my AUG is one of my favorites. They're extremely fast on target, compact... even with a 20" bbl & can be fired one-handed. My shooter, Interarms gun had 5K rds through it w/o a single malfunction. The GSI is a safe queen! For a .308 that isn't a belt-fed... the AWC (M1A)/M-14 G2 Compact Rifle is VERY controllable in full-auto & extraordinarily accurate. I keep a High Standard 10B with Kel-Lite... handy as well.

 

[stymie]

The Black AUGs are civilian guns...

& the Green are military issue in Austria... weird, eh?

 

[sigfla]

Think I decided. If I can't find a SBR FNC Para then I am going to go with an AK. A buddy of mine wants one also so he has me on the lookout for 2.

I gotta admit I really wanted an HK until I handled a few. They are awesome guns but they just feel to production line to me. The stamped metal and welds just aren't as nice to me as an AR, Uzi, or even a nice AK receiver. Dunno maybe if I ever get to shoot one I will change my mind again. I also wouldn't pass on a deal for another M16. This time a DIAS to be installed in a newer receiver (strictly a .223 beater gun).