I'm still new 'round these parts and still waiting on my first MAC-10 to get the stamp back from the ATF, yet I'm already looking for #2! :devil Where do y'all find these registered receiver MACs? I really have no need for a complete gun anyway, and so I think a RR would be most ideal for #2. Is it just looking on the various forums and Gunbroker? Anything else?
Where does one find RR MACs?
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Fulliautomatix
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Any NFA/MG, I'd start in the classifieds here. Other places I've gone (alphabetically listed, not by any preference)
https://www.davidspiwak.com/guns/
https://dealernfa.com/product-category/machine-guns/
http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/weapons/
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/forum/5-nfa-market
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?44-NFA-Trading-Post/
https://www.davidspiwak.com/guns/
https://dealernfa.com/product-category/machine-guns/
http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/weapons/
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/forum/5-nfa-market
http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?44-NFA-Trading-Post/
As far as I know they are ALL registered receivers and all sold as complete guns. You might find a lower if the upper was damaged, but I don't think that I have ever seen just a lower being sold.
wrongrecroom
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Yep pretty much all macs are RR guns ... I dont think I have seen a non RR ( I am sure it might be out there but ) ... Just know the makers and what model you should go with ie 10 /m11 etc who made the ok one and go from that
Shattered
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I had several registered lowers, still have one. Now built up into a M-10/9 the lowers were made by Armitage International and purchased from LMO in 1990.
Nearly zero flats out there, today when you want RR you’re basically asking for a stock gun without extras such as Lage uppers, magazines, spare parts /etc that typically accompany these guns. Many guns have multiple uppers sold as a package but if you’re looking for a basement price (you shoulda’ looked 7+ years ago) you’re getting a stock gun without box at this point potentially needing refinishing. You may specifically search for an M10/9 in general as they’re sometimes priced way below market.
Some of the less desirable package deals are original (M11/9) Zytel plastic mags which are worse than cheap toilet paper and older steel gen1 Lage uppers which have merit for sure, but Lage 1-upped himself offering a Gen2 aluminum upper rendering gen1 a slight discount item. Sabre .223/556 rifle uppers at this point aren’t worth a dime (to a smart purchaser) as the company is no longer in business, clunky, and a better option (Lage) is available. There are a few Sabers for sale fishing for suckers but the new Lage .223/556 uppers have become the current rifle upper to have. Being Lage rifle uppers cost $3k by itself (as a package guys are asking Uzi money) doubtful its on your radar for a bargain purchase but just giving you a quick lesson.
One option to save is a complete m11/9 but with a STEN grip conversion which was common before metal Zmags came about. You can convert the STEN mag back to stock and use the newer z-mags being 30 or 50 rounds and readily available, but know the price to convert/effort may outweigh the value at purchase.
Good luck. :devil
Some of the less desirable package deals are original (M11/9) Zytel plastic mags which are worse than cheap toilet paper and older steel gen1 Lage uppers which have merit for sure, but Lage 1-upped himself offering a Gen2 aluminum upper rendering gen1 a slight discount item. Sabre .223/556 rifle uppers at this point aren’t worth a dime (to a smart purchaser) as the company is no longer in business, clunky, and a better option (Lage) is available. There are a few Sabers for sale fishing for suckers but the new Lage .223/556 uppers have become the current rifle upper to have. Being Lage rifle uppers cost $3k by itself (as a package guys are asking Uzi money) doubtful its on your radar for a bargain purchase but just giving you a quick lesson.
One option to save is a complete m11/9 but with a STEN grip conversion which was common before metal Zmags came about. You can convert the STEN mag back to stock and use the newer z-mags being 30 or 50 rounds and readily available, but know the price to convert/effort may outweigh the value at purchase.
Good luck. :devil
Last stripped lowers I saw for sale was 2010 and 2500 each on strum.
Seller sold both in under 24 hrs
Pretty much all gone accept for the few oddities laying in private safes most people have added the internals uppers and other stuff to maximize dollar value.
If looking for just the lower you would need to buy the basic stock gun then do what you want to it as far as finish parts/upper you wanted.
Rich
Seller sold both in under 24 hrs
Pretty much all gone accept for the few oddities laying in private safes most people have added the internals uppers and other stuff to maximize dollar value.
If looking for just the lower you would need to buy the basic stock gun then do what you want to it as far as finish parts/upper you wanted.
Rich
boomer535
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Stripped registered MAC receivers are pretty much dried up by now. The last RR I saw for sale was a stripped Jersey Arms M10/45 clone. I bought my two Jersey Arms Commando Avenger (M10/45 Clone) receivers back in 1991 for $255 each. That deal is long gone. There is no cheap way to get into full auto anymore. If you do manage to get a registered stripped receiver understand the parts don't just drop in, some fitting is required. Attached some photos. One is a photo from the last Registered receiver I saw for sale, one of the guys on this board bought it and did a great job building it up. The next photo is one of the Receivers I bought back in 1991 built up with an SWD parts kit. Unless you can find that registered stripped receiver at a great price I would get a good used MAC that I have shot to make sure it is OK.
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AmishEskimoNinja
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I lol'd at that. That is exactly when I bought my M11 for $2500.
boomer535
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Back in 1982 Jersey Arms made about 2,000 open bolt semi pistols. The ATF made them register them as Machine Guns. Jersey Arms went bankrupt. Some of these Receivers were built up by SWD but many seem to be in a vault somewhere. I am sure that when these lost registered receivers come to the market they will be built up and sold for top dollar.
ferndog1
UZI Talk Supporter
Back in the 1980s there were registered-stripped lower receivers advertised in Shotgun News for $39.00. I remember telling a few friends, the usual reply was "I'm NOT paying a $200 tax on a $39.00 receiver." This was true of the $150.00 Stens and $65.00 Reisings. Who knew?
DistalRadius
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Out of curiosity, I ran these numbers through an inflation calculator set to 1980. Adjusted for an incredible 210.8% inflation, you would be paying a tax of $621.58 on a gun valued at $121.21 in 2019 dollars. Just FYI.
I once heard that the $200 tax is why there are so few auto AK-47's out there. Back in the 1980's, the tax was more than the cost of the gun. I'm sure that reasoning occurred pretty often.
$200 in 1934 when the taxing of full auto guns was created is $3880 in today's money.
A&S Conversions
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And that is why the original Auto Ordinance owned by the Thompson family failed. It cost Auto Ordinance less than $40 each to have Colt built the first 15,000 guns between 1921 and 1922. Auto Ordinance still had some of those original Colt made guns still in inventory when Auto Ordinance was bought out by Maguire Industries in 1938.
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