Where Have All The Uzis Gone??? Will They Be 8K By Year End?

[ddmau]

In reference to the blocking bar, how would you know if the gun had the blocking bar removed after the May cut-off if the gun was already on a Form 4? Does it (did it) state on the Form 4 that it has (had) a blocking bar?

I gave up looking for an Uzi a few months ago and went with a MAC 10. I'll get an Uzi eventually, but I just couldn't wait any more.

Pretty easy to tell if the Blocking Bar has been removed if you got a good pic of the inside of the receiver, or looked at it in person.....of course, it could have been re-welded, ground down & refinished after removal, but it's unlikely anyone would go to that much trouble. JMHO.

 

[RoverDave]

Yes, it's easy to tell if the bar has been removed, but the question is whether it was removed as part of the original conversion or after-the-fact. Some form 4's might specifically note that the bolt is modified or married to the receiver, then you would know that the blocking bar was not removed during the original conversion. Most form 4's won't say anything though. There's aways a small risk that it was noted on the original form 1 when the gun was made but the information was not copied to subsequent form 4's. The only way to know for sure is for the current owner to request all of the old records under the FOIA. Most people are satisfied with it being okay if the last form 3/4 does not mention anything about the bolt being married to the gun.

 

[mp40gunner]

Doesn't surprise me

It won't surprise me at all if the good Uzi's keep climbing in price. I have a full smg spec IMI with Hebrew lower, modified trunnion, restrictor ring removed etc. and I wouldn't even think about selling it for 8 or even 9k. It is just a great all around subgun and I have a bunch of regrets about not ever buying one back in 1993 when I got into NFA. (The biggest regret when Kent Lomont offered me the MP38 for another $250 over what I was paying for the MP40 I bought from him. Boy would I love to do that day over again but I also only made $9.00 per hour.)

It really doesn't matter what I paid for any of my NFA items, if I don't really need the money, then I don't get rid of anything. The only time I get rid of any NFA items is to trade up. Really that is about the only time I get rid of non NFA items also.

Would like to get a HK sear to go with the MP5 SBR but can't even think about getting rid of the MP40, M1 Tommy, Sten, M2 Carbine, or Uzi so for the future it looks like the HK SBR will have to do. LOL

I think a lot of guys just getting into the hobby forget there is no more of these being made so for a dealer to add to his inventory he needs to pay enough to get the current owner to want to sell his item. Most of the time this means items are never going down in price.

 

[Philip]

I suppose if uzi's hit 8 or 9k that means the H&K sears will just go up too, otherwise I'd sell and buy one

 

[Samuel_Hoggson]

I suppose if uzi's hit 8 or 9k that means the H&K sears will just go up too

Maybe, maybe not. Look at how most beltfeds and Thompsons have kinda settled. 16s are clearly going up again after a period of doing nothing. I just watched a bunch of MAC10s get sold @ $4k/per. MGs values are kinda linked together if you look long term. The short term may not look that way. Sam

Sam

 

[gixxerjockey]

What is the market on the registered bolt guns? I have not seen one in quite a while.

 

[Quake Guy]

Nothing attracts buyers like rising prices...

These guns are really an investment asset to the majority of people that buy them, no matter what people may say. And like most investments I have seen, they make big price moves in a short period of time and then fluctuate in a certain range for a long period of time. So yeah they might hit $8k, but not taking into account dollar inflation, they might sit there for another 5 years.

I am starting to seeing more folks who are really into machine guns just go ahead and get SOTs & LE letter and then buy stuff much cheaper.

For an investment, I think M16s are the best. Along with M11s & Uzis, they seem to be actually shot. And due to their construction, I think more get destroyed for one reason or another. Also, probably more importantly, they are the only machine gun that is still frequently fielded by modern armies which makes them more desirable.

 

[greenpeas]

There was a full size RR IMI that sold for $6400 on subguns a few days ago.

 

[Philip]

I am starting to seeing more folks who are really into machine guns just go ahead and get SOTs & LE letter and then buy stuff much cheaper.

I'm sure many of us have thought about it but it's just too much hassle. Fortunately I think the internet has made it a lot easier.

 

[RoverDave]

I am starting to seeing more folks who are really into machine guns just go ahead and get SOTs & LE letter and then buy stuff much cheaper.

If someone gets an SOT just as a way to buy guns for themself, the ATF considers it tax evasion.

 

[thompson4433]

I wonder what would do better as investment - MACs or UZIs?

It seems to me that MACs have a alot more room to move than UZIs, since they cost right about half - figure $3300 as a current price for the average MAC and $6500 for the average UZI.

I think that as the UZIs move off into the 10K+ zone, the demand for MACs will rise. MACs and UZI have little collector value, they are mostly valuable as shooters. 10K is a lot of money for the average schmoe to sink into a gun just so he hose a few boxes of ammo once in a while.

Plus, the reputation of MACs is undeservedly low. People who actually buy a M10 soon realize it's a robust little gun and the Lage uppers totally transform the M11/9 into an excellent gun.

Nothing attracts buyers like rising prices...

These guns are really an investment asset to the majority of people that buy them, no matter what people may say. And like most investments I have seen, they make big price moves in a short period of time and then fluctuate in a certain range for a long period of time. So yeah they might hit $8k, but not taking into account dollar inflation, they might sit there for another 5 years.

I am starting to seeing more folks who are really into machine guns just go ahead and get SOTs & LE letter and then buy stuff much cheaper.

For an investment, I think M16s are the best. Along with M11s & Uzis, they seem to be actually shot. And due to their construction, I think more get destroyed for one reason or another. Also, probably more importantly, they are the only machine gun that is still frequently fielded by modern armies which makes them more desirable.

 

[SecondAmend]

There's over 30,000 transferrable MACs including the different variants but only about 8,000 Uzis, total. So MACs will likely be lower in cost simply due to the number out there. Also, MACs were never really "fielded" per se, except for some special applications. As such, the panache value also goes to the Uzi. That said, the MAC is a fine family of weapons. The first machine gun I ever shot was a MAC 10, 9 mm.

 

[thompson4433]

There's over 30,000 transferrable MACs including the different variants but only about 8,000 Uzis, total. So MACs will likely be lower in cost simply due to the number out there. Also, MACs were never really "fielded" per se, except for some special applications. As such, the panache value also goes to the Uzi. That said, the MAC is a fine family of weapons. The first machine gun I ever shot was a MAC 10, 9 mm.

There's no question at all that the UZI has a golden reputation and the MAC is a lighting rod for all the gun shop bullshit known to man.

The UZI is a compact SMG and the MAC is just a machine pistol, so obviously the UZI is a more useful and shootable gun.

So anyway, I figure that when UZIs push over $10K, it's going to cause a lot of would-be UZI buyers to go the MAC + upper route. Even the price of cheezy SWD knockoff, the M11/9, is higher than the original model (M10) now because the SWD is perfect for the UZI-like Lage upper. So what does that tell you?

I actually have enough coin in my "discretionary funds" for an UZI but I've been sort of holding back, the current price is off-putting.

 

[GoingQuiet]

Prices in the NFA market have gotten firmer but for guys like me who do an item here and there - we don't see much of the gains that larger machinegun dealers do.

 

[Samuel_Hoggson]

Maybe it's not just Uzis going up. Having just witnessed nine NIBish MAC 10s auctioned @ $4k-$4.6k I have to wonder just how long they'll be found @ $3.3k. 11s, possibly. I'd much rather have a 10 than a M11. And I'd rather have a FS Uzi than a 10.

It's not as if you magically receive all those neat Lage M11 accessories gratis upon buying the gun.

Sam

 

[Quake Guy]

NIB holds some huge mystical price bump over used, again due to investment purposes. I think the price of a used M10 is about $3300 right now, I don't think that is going to go up in a hurry anytime soon. Biggest issue is price of ammo. Plus not nearly as flexible as an M11 or Uzi when it comes to calibers.

I want an M10 just to keep it old school Hollywood with the two stage suppressor. However, not seeing many for sale in my home state and out of state prices are just not low enough to deal with the two stamp wait. Maybe investment is the best angle, hate to say it, but the novelty of FA fire is wearing off even faster than I originally guessed.

 

[thompson4433]

Well, $800 for an excellent quality upper and and another $200 for a stock is chump change in the FA world.

An m11/9 has a couple of things that make it ideal for the barbie-doll treatment: it's tiny and light, it's relatively cheap, and it's in the NFA registry.

As long as they stay within the bounds of the BATFE rules, anything Lage dreams up is going to have a lot of buyers.



As far as the MAC10 goes, it's about identical to the micro-UZI in size. So that makes it a specialty product in my book but it's worth owning. Mine is completely reliable. The Lage treatment on the M10 gets kind of heavy because the M10 is heavy to begin with.

Maybe it's not just Uzis going up. Having just witnessed nine NIBish MAC 10s auctioned @ $4k-$4.6k I have to wonder just how long they'll be found @ $3.3k. 11s, possibly. I'd much rather have a 10 than a M11. And I'd rather have a FS Uzi than a 10.

It's not as if you magically receive all those neat Lage M11 accessories gratis upon buying the gun.

Sam

 

[sillycon]

Personally I love the weight of the Lage'd M10/9 (ran it on my buddies lower). Though, I'm also 6'2" and 230lbs; and I'm sure my wife (5'8" 115lbs) would disagree with me about the weight being fine. I'll find out what she thinks in a month or so when my stamp finally shows up (day 75 today...).

 

[MarkV]

year-end is less than three months away; seems silly to believe there will be a panic buy for uzi's up to the 8g mark in the midst of a recession. as an enthusiast it is always sad to see a hobby be pushed as an investment and priced out of range for others to enjoy; especially when that investment is literally a signature away from being worthless.

but i can't decide if this a legitimate attempt at discussion or just an embedded solicitation. the latter seems to be a common way for "members" to turn the store front light on lately. i have to admit i do get amused when agents/traders complain about lowballers, i mean isn't the whole point of making money as a trader to buy at the lowest and re-sell higher to someone else? it's not like a middle man is building anything and/or has any capital invested other than their money. sort of like a crack/meth dealer complaining all his customers are flakey drug addicts and his bosses are heartless thugs.

 

[Kramer]

year-end is less than three months away; seems silly to believe there will be a panic buy for uzi's up to the 8g mark in the midst of a recession. as an enthusiast it is always sad to see a hobby be pushed as an investment and priced out of range for others to enjoy; especially when that investment is literally a signature away from being worthless.

but I can't decide if this a legitimate attempt at discussion or just an embedded solicitation. the latter seems to be a common way for "members" to turn the store front light on lately. I have to admit I do get amused when agents/traders complain about lowballers, I mean isn't the whole point of making money as a trader to buy at the lowest and re-sell higher to someone else? it's not like a middle man is building anything and/or has any capital invested other than their money.

DING-DING-DING! We have a winna!

It kinda sounds like someone is pumping up the Uzi market like they might have some being transfered in by the end of the year; time will tell. BTW I saw this exact same thing on another board.