Which one?

Which one?

  • Ruger AC 556

    Votes: 14 11.9%
  • FNC

    Votes: 37 31.4%
  • M-16

    Votes: 58 49.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 7.6%

  • Total voters
    118

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Funny... You ask this question on the FNC board and the M16 is ahead in the poll AND with good reason. I almost settled for an AC556K before a bought my RR M-16 and my FNC, but it would have been a compromise for a gun I didn't reallly want based entirely on economics. It was the cheapest 5.56 full auto rifle then, and it's still the entry level 5.56 machine gun today. I guess you could say it's the MAC of the F.A. centerfire rifles.

I've never owned a Ruger AC556 but I've had enough trigger time on a friends AC556-K to form an opinion. Nice guns and I like the way they look, all of the models, but then I like Ruger's looks in general . Thin barrels that will heat up quickly. Forget Beta C dumps. Too bad you can't buy parts for it almost anywhere like the M16. Yeah factory service is great and you may need it if you shoot the gun often enough. I have to question how long Ruger will continue to support these guns and then you'll get your parts from??? They were never used by any country's military armed services. Many were relegated to light duty in prisons where they didn't see much use. The rifle is still produced today as a post sample and you have to wonder why sales are almost non-existant and it's being traded for M16s by LE agencys that still have them in service. That's the only source for parts, cut up post sample guns. Good high cap mags are an issue unlike the M-16 and FNC. The .22 kits generally run great right out of the box. My perception is the recoil is noticeably sharper than either of the other two rifles.

I did own an 16" Para FNC converted by Curtis Higgins and it's a really great rifle... It should be as it's essentially an AK which means it's very reliable. Uses cheap and easy to find AR-15 / M-16 magazines and Beta C drums. Eats cheap Wolf ammo without complaints. It feels a little big and to me and I'm a big guy. The factory firing pin will break, it's actually the cup that's pressed onto the rear of the pin, so order a couple of one piece firing pins from DSA and the problem is solved. Otherwise, you risk damaging internals when the cup comes off the pin. OK, here's the deal buster for me. Find me a bolt and barrel... come on, find me one for spare parts. Don't believe for a moment that those bolts don't break, I've seen photos. Don't tell me the barrels will last forever, they won't. I'll show you a chrome lined, 14 1/2" M4 profile Bushmaster I purchased new for my M-16. The throat erosion is scary! I bought my guns to shoot, not fondle, so your experience may be different if you only shoot a few hundred rounds a year. I NEED to know I can replace every part on my guns and you aren't 'gonna do that with the bolt and barrel on an FNC and everything wears out eventually.

M-16 has more caliber conversions and accessories than you can name. A multitude of COMPLETE barreled uppers with carriers and bolts that you can pick up the phone and order delivered right to your door for short money. New magazines for around ten bucks each. Beta C mags are available in 5.56 and 9mm. Possibility of the Shrike and the XMG beltfed upper is a reality and has been shipping for several years. Tactical Innovations should be shipping the .22 caliber American 180 style 280 round drum uppers soon enough. I recently purchased the KNS spade grips and MG42 tripod for my gun and it adds a completely new dimension. More money but much more gun. It's a firearms system as much as a gun and simple enough for anyone to work on. No brainer here.

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I own 4 M16's and 2 FNC's and what I've seen from this post is that the FNC is indeed a better gun for its roll but the M16 is much more versatile because of the plethora of aftermarket options and replacement parts which are available!
Correct me if I'm wrong! Because I too love the M16 for this reason, but I think in reallity it has seen the end of its effective service without extensive modifications geared toward practical combat use and not making it more accurate while defending yourself against an Army of paper. Although it's still historialy cool in my book, I would still grab an AK if the SHTF.
 

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K.O.A.M. said:
My justification for the M16 is the ready availability of spares and replacement parts.
move over to Belgium :D

You might find some stuf there
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The M-16 has little recoil, have a high degree of accuracy and you can customize them to anything you can imagine. Parts are the easiest of the batch to obtain. The only question is, how many uppers, stocks and caliber conversions will you really want? I personally keep mine in the original A1 configuration and will never swap the stock or upper, but that is just me.

The AC-556 is great if you use the Tri-Comp and Buffer Technologies buffer in it. I had the oddball version where the selector is pushed to the right to overcome the notches and then pushed forward or back. It also had the bolt hold open bar on the left side and not the top left button. In other words, mine was the old 190 prefix gun with the blade sight and wood top handguard.
I only had some problems with it. Some foreign heavy primer ammo it did not like. It liked Federal ammo, and factory mags. The ammo had to be tight crimped or it would jam. Accuracy was ok for semi auto, and mediocre control on automatic. But that was before the buffer and Tri-Comp. After those mods the automatic controllability was actually better than my M-16!

The FNC got a bad review in an old Firepower magazine, which made me never want one. They said that it jammed a lot and had ok accuracy. But I have seen a few FNCs shoot at the local range over the years and I have never seen them jam. I truly wonder why their test gun did not work out so well for them. Maybe they had bad ammo or mags, who knows... From what I have seen and heard, these are very smooth shooting weapons thanks to the gas system and weight. FN makes quality, and I wouldn't care too much about accessories being available as I personally would only shoot it in stock configuration with iron sights. I was pondering getting one, but I am getting an NFA AK-47 in 7.62x39 right now instead only because it fills a part of my collection perfectly.

I personally think that the FNC is a nicer gun than the AC-556. My AC-556 seemed finicky, loud, and felt like it was getting beaten like a red headed stepchild while firing. I do not know what the long term affects would have been since I have long sold it. I wish I kept it, it was 'fun'. Anyways, the M-16 is perfect for flexibility and availability of parts, but the FNC is a lot less money and actually draws more attention due to them being rare (*rare to see that is) and everyone wants to know what it is. With the FNC, it is almost half the money of a near new Colt M-16-A1. With the other half, you can also get an AC-556.
 

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m-16 hands down... they're so versatile... uppers change out easily... and multi caliber availability to boot. the only thing better than a 16 in versatility would be a dias. apologies in advance if i sound overenthusiastic.

i have a rick kuehl dedicated .22 upper, a colt 9mm upper, myriad .223 uppers ranging from 20" rifle to 10.5" carbines. my local indoor range allows smg in pistol and rimfire; good on those rainy days. next on the list is a talon to go with the trinity and a 6.8 upper. my current favorite upper for my 16 is my lwrc 10.5" m6a2... which in my opinion gives the 16 the trump card of now being piston actuated capable with the added bonus of configurability.

kind of like vegas i initially wanted an ac556, the fnc was also in the decision loop due to similar price. already having a nice stainless mini folder and the price being about half that of a 16 at the time, i thought it would be a good entry point for a mg and went to put money down on an ac. when a certain south florida dealer blew me off on an AC556FK purchase and then later sold another rifle from out underneath me, he unwittingly did me a huge favor. while he cost himself my future business (doubt it even matters to him), he also left me with the funds available to take advantage of a great deal for a 16a1 instead. i've never looked back with regret.

when i start thinking about wanting an ac556 again i just pull out the mini when i take the 16 to the range. a few trigger pulls reminds me why i like the 16 so much. not to bad mouth the mini, it's fun to shoot and makes a perfect truck & boat gun, but i just like my 16 that much more. ymmv.
 

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MarkV said:
m-16 hands down... they're so versatile... uppers change out easily... and multi caliber availability to boot. the only thing better than a 16 in versatility would be a dias. apologies in advance if i sound overenthusiastic.

i have a rick kuehl dedicated .22 upper, a colt 9mm upper, myriad .223 uppers ranging from 20" rifle to 10.5" carbines. my local indoor range allows smg in pistol and rimfire; good on those rainy days. next on the list is a talon to go with the trinity and a 6.8 upper. my current favorite upper for my 16 is my lwrc 10.5" m6a2... which in my opinion gives the 16 the trump card of now being piston actuated capable with the added bonus of configurability.

kind of like vegas i initially wanted an ac556, the fnc was also in the decision loop due to similar price. already having a nice stainless mini folder and the price being about half that of a 16 at the time, i thought it would be a good entry point for a mg and went to put money down on an ac. when a certain south florida dealer blew me off on an AC556FK purchase and then later sold another rifle from out underneath me, he unwittingly did me a huge favor. while he cost himself my future business (doubt it even matters to him), he also left me with the funds available to take advantage of a great deal for a 16a1 instead. i've never looked back with regret.

when i start thinking about wanting an ac556 again i just pull out the mini when i take the 16 to the range. a few trigger pulls reminds me why i like the 16 so much. not to bad mouth the mini, it's fun to shoot and makes a perfect truck & boat gun, but i just like my 16 that much more. ymmv.


Do you have a factory colt or a conversion?
 

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UFGators said:
Do you have a factory colt or a conversion?

it's a colt m16a1, however there are just as many quality conversions, dias, manufacturers out there as there are not.

it really pays to be an educated buyer when dealing with any nfa item. i'm not talking about knowing every detail and nuance under the sun, but recommend at least some due diligence before flopping over cash.
 

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MarkV said:
it's a colt m16a1, however there are just as many quality conversions, dias, manufacturers out there as there are not.

it really pays to be an educated buyer when dealing with any nfa item. i'm not talking about knowing every detail and nuance under the sun, but recommend at least some due diligence before flopping over cash.


Well you sure got me sold on the idea. I just purchased a practically new Colt Sporter II conversion with three large hole uppers. Im going to invest in some of those $7 offset hole conversion pins so that I can eventually run a gas piston upper, if that doesnt suit me enough I am going to have m60joe do a small hole conversion. I am excited!
 

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Garandman, as you can see by looking at my avatar I have 2 Rugers and I love them. Rugers service is next to none. How ever You might consider a full stock, either origional ruger or maybe a SCAR. The folders are a little uncomfortable for me. BUT keep the factory folder by all means, they are difficult to get and expensive....
have you ever considered the .30 cal carbine¿ They are fun to shoot, parts are easily attainable and not so expensive...Just a thought...out
 

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FNC is the best one for the money, but as mentioned parts can be a problem.

M16 remains the most practical to own.
 

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:50_cal Personally I think the FNC is one of the finest weapons ever made. However the Ruger Ac556 and the Kac556 are my favorite to shoot. The FNC throws spent rounds 15 to 20 yards away, they hit the receiver and dent the cases. I hate looking for brass in the grass. I won't shoot Wolf...the cheapest ammo in my exotic high dollar guns...so collecting brass is a must. Using a can on either is (ify)...The cans tend to loosen up on the Ruger and cause bullet strikes...it difficult to get an adaptor for the FNC, especially one that works,(alined right) they are left hand threads. The Ruger is my choice. Jason sold me a Ciener kit for my Ac556 and I love it. For me the Ruger is the way to go. DOn't have the M16 but buddies of mine do and they constantly have issues...I hate issues!!!:50_cal

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When it comes down to it...

If your life depended on it, would you select the FNC or the M16?
Soldiers don't have a choice, but we do... If these weapons were side-by-side in the safe and you needed to grab one to immediately extricate yourself from danger, which one would you grab? The choice is a no-brainer and it does not have the letter M in it either.
 

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FNC or M16

First off, I have never fired the Ruger AC556 so I don't know much about it. I have fired the M16 as well as the AK47 in Vietnam. I don't particularly like either. That's why I checked out the FNC. The FNC is hands down better than either of the above. It's better built, it runs better, it will do mag dumps better and in most cases is more accurate especially in FA. As for parts, something to think about, for what you're paying for that M16 you can purchase both a FA FNC and a semi FNC to keep as a spare if you're that worried about parts. I own a few FNCs. Never had a part failure in any of them. Part failures are rare and well over rated. Also, through the years more and parts are coming available. I can see in the future that any part you need could soon be produced on a 3D printer.
 

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First off, I have never fired the Ruger AC556 so I don't know much about it. I have fired the M16 as well as the AK47 in Vietnam. I don't particularly like either. That's why I checked out the FNC. The FNC is hands down better than either of the above. It's better built, it runs better, it will do mag dumps better and in most cases is more accurate especially in FA. As for parts, something to think about, for what you're paying for that M16 you can purchase both a FA FNC and a semi FNC to keep as a spare if you're that worried about parts. I own a few FNCs. Never had a part failure in any of them. Part failures are rare and well over rated. Also, through the years more and parts are coming available. I can see in the future that any part you need could soon be produced on a 3D printer.

I have had experience with the M16 since the mid-80s and have watched it evolve into the more reliable barbie-doll accessory based platform of today. However, it's just like putting Corvette skin on a Chevy Vega chassis. The FNC is just internally and functionally a more solid platform which has evolved into the SCAR.
 

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True. I honestly can't see anybody choosing the M16 over an FNC if they are purchasing this as their SHTF weapon. However, I will agree there are a lot different options for the M16 if someone is looking for a gun to customize. Nothing at all wrong with the M16 still a very good gun.
 

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I have had experience with the M16 since the mid-80s and have watched it evolve into the more reliable barbie-doll accessory based platform of today. However, it's just like putting Corvette skin on a Chevy Vega chassis. The FNC is just internally and functionally a more solid platform which has evolved into the SCAR.

In theory the FNC is a more robust design. But it is heavier than even a fully kitted out M4 carbine, lends itself less well to accessorizing, and critical spare parts require the purchase of another semiauto rifle (or two). At that point you are in spitting distance of a converted RR m16 or a Colt AR15 model 614. And the AR15 of today is not the AR15 of the past. It is a very robust and reliable design, which is capable of very high reliability. I own a fullauto FNC and Colt M16s. If given the choice, the M16 wins hands down. It is lighter, far more ergonomic, suppresses well, and it is modular. I can have a 10.5" CQBR upper with a red dot and a precision 16" upper with a variable 1-x optic and it takes all of ten seconds to swap to a different upper. Spare parts are widely available, as is the excellent Geissle SSF trigger group.

I would bet that if you took a carbine class with the FNC, then repeated it with an M4 you would prefer the M4.

At the end of the day, this is all just for fun. If the S ever does HTF, it is unlikely any of us will be walking around with rifles slung - we will be discretely carrying a handgun concealed.
 
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If the S ever does HTF, it is unlikely any of us will be walking around with rifles slung - we will be discretely carrying a handgun concealed.

Unless that you are patrolling around your house and property.;)
 
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