Wise Lite Sterlings - what's the general consensus?

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OK, I've always thought that Sterlings were just cool as hell and I'm thinking about getting one.

How are the Wise Lite builds for quality, and how easy is it to get parts/mags/accessories for them?

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My Wiselite is great and looks awesome. I also know they have been real proactive about making sure that things are fixed. Mine came without a front sight. I called Wiselite and they sent one right out.
 

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I love my wiselite sterling, it is probably my favorite shooter at this time. I got it at a local shop about 6 months ago. there were 3 on the shelf and compaired them and bought the nicest one. The front sight post is almost dead center, barely visable welds on the tube, and the stock is straight. It shot low, dead center, but I had no problem zeroing it. It is pretty consistant and accurite also. I have only shot it at 25 yards, but it wil put a full mag in a 2" group firing fairly fast.
At first I had a couple of light primer strikes with WWB, but cleaned the bolt out and got a chunk of junk out of the hole for the firing pin, and it has been flawless for 500 rounds now. The only things I got for it was some extra mags from apex and a firing pin and spring kit from wiselite just in case.
 

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I bought one of these when they first came out and love it. I had a problem with firing pins breaking, called them up, told them the problem. Ended up, they sent me a new bolt and replacement pins. I had gotten one of the first ones they made, and they have since changed how they machine the bolts. Great people to deal with, great product. Will contiune to do business with them, my advice to you, buy one, you'll be gald you did.
 

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Other than what seems to be a universal issue with most the guns shooting low and left (likely due to the jig setup of how they weld them, sights can be adjusted to correct) they seem to run great and are extremely accurate.

I love mine, I know that!
 

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Bought one and it was very nice. Everything was straight. Shot 14" low at 25yrds. The only thing it needed was a filing on the front sight to get it to zero. SBR'd that one.

Bought a second one based on the first. That one was a mess. The stock was crooked, the sights were crooked, the bolt was machined funny, the stock folder/hinge was goofy, and the rear receiver weld was not finished all the way. I contacted WLA and they sent me a FedEx shipping receipt. A week or two later I got a call saying they needed my FFL's info so they could swap that one for a different one. The new one arrived and it is damn near perfect. I put 100rds through it to make sure it works and then stashed it in the back of the safe.

Probably have 700+ rds through the first one now. I might get 1 or 2 light primer strikes out of every 100 rds. I'm okay with that. With AIM selling them for $439 (and my experience w/ WLA's CS) you can't go wrong.
 

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Numbers produced..

At Knob Creek I was talking with the Senior Weapons Tech in charge of the STERLING and STEN semi-auto production. He mentioned where WLA is at with the sequential numbering of our semi-auto STERLING receivers. I just checked "The Guns of Dagenheim" and it appears that WLA has made more semi-auto STERLING's than the original British manufacturer did. The WLA total includes both machine carbines and pistols.
We are still producing these guns on commercial contract in both 9MM and 7.62X25.
 

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We've sold quite a few of the semi-auto Sterling carbines and everybody has been very happy with them.

thanks,
Ron
 

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I'm considering picking one of these up... a local dealer has a smokin' deal on one. I'd like to SBR it eventually.... are these compatible with existing Sterling barrels or will I need a gunsmith to cut it down?

Also, does anyone make a blank firing adapter or a modified-for-blanks barrel?
 

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I like mine very much. Fit, finish, and function excellent. Only concern I had was an irregularity in the rifling inside where the ratchet marks are for the barrel nut- a little to much force used in cutting them in.
 

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I took mine, bought from aimsurplus, out today for the first time and was SORELY disappointed.

First off, one of the 2 mags that came with the gun (looks like an "original" mag) refused to chamber any round when charged. Once I got it loaded with the other mag, the trigger squeeze doesn't go (safety was on 'R'). I had to charge again, ejected the round in the chamber, loaded the next one and finally got the gun to fire. The trigger seems bouncy rather breaking clean. Lousy like the Century bullpup AK trigger.

Secondly, everything about operating the gun is awkward. The locking mechanism for the underfolder stock require 2 hands to lock back. The magazine release button is 90-degree angle from your normal grabbing position if the gun is held at shooting position. The charging handle is difficult to pull back.

I own many carbines (including AKs, AR15s, AR57, Uzi, FS2000, PS90, MP5 clones) this is absolutely the worst gun. The only thing that's nice about it is the finish, and whenever it fires, it at least holds decent groups.

I'm going to give this another go next range trip and will probably end up selling it.

Al
 

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Hate to hear your troubles. Most of us love our Sterlings, even if we had a few minor issues in the begining.

I will make a comment about some of your handling disappointments.

Yes, the cocking of this little carbine is stiff. It will get better after a few hundred rounds through the gun, but it will always be stiffer than the full auto due to the extra springs required in the semi-auto design. I have a tendency (as a righty) to keep my left hand extended onto the rifle's fore-end, buttstock in the shoulder pocket, then reach up and cycle the operating handle with the right hand (strong hand). Gives me the best leverage.

Mag release button takes just a little getting used to. I really never shoot the gun "classic Sterling fashion", which is to have the left hand folded over top of the mag just outboard of the mag well. But I sure as heck use my left hand when it is time to remove or insert a mag, so it doesn't take much effort to learn to run your hand to the top of the mag (remember, everything is laid on it's side compared to other rifle and mag designs), four fingers laid around the top and front of the mag. Then the thumb is in a perfect position to disengage the mag release button. Just practice your shooting positions and mag insertions with a dry and empty gun until you come up with a procedure that feels more natural.

The folding stock is a bit of a pain until you have worked with it a while. I can release the mechanism with one hand while supporting the rifle with the left hand. It is a little tricky, and yes, it takes a little practice along with the rifle wearing in a bit, unless you get a loose, sloppy gun to start with. I push the retaining tab up with my thumb, (right hand) while using the inner portion of my trigger finger (between the finger and thumb), along with the whole fist to place pressure against the end cap, releasing the stock assembly.

Now, your biggest problem is the feeding issue. BUT, I have discovered that some feeding issues can be resolved by making sure the mag feed lips are parallel to each other. I posted some reference photos about this condition either here or over at the high road.

Look at these images, see if your rifle seems to be doing the same thing.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7457/sterlingreliefcut.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4351/sterlingmagazinedetail.jpg

Here is the text also explaining my initial feed problems:

Sterling Mag issues

Thought I would post a picture of an issue I have had when I first received my Century/Wiselite Sterling.

It was stated in another posting that my rifle was not feeding some bullets well. I was experiencing jams in which it appeared bullets were diving into the sharp edge of the breech face/chamber entrance extractor relief cut.

I discovered after working with several magazines, that NOS (New Old Stock) mags were working just fine. Older, used mags seemed to be the ones giving issues.

I finally noticed the difference in feed lip geometry between like new mags and a few of my used mags. So I decided to try tapping an errant feed lip back into a position that I thought looked reasonable.

TURNS OUT THAT DID THE TRICK! For my rifle, in order for bullets not to impale themselves against that sharp transition edge from breech face into chamber produced by the extractor relief area, my magazine feed lips need to be parallel to each other.

I have included a photo to illustrate just what I am talking about. If you are experiencing any feeding issues, then I would highly recommend trying to bring the feed lips into a parallel position. I simply used a nylon hammer and tapped until the one feed lip came into proper position. Those two mags now feed 100%, regardless of bullet type.

I would post a picture, but the file sizes allowed are ridiculously small. You wouldn't be able to see any detail. e-mail me if you want a jpeg or pdf that illustrates what I am describing. Or check my post at THR under same subject.

OK< Hope you haven't given up on your Sterling and can get it to run right. It does take a mag in decent shape. These magazines have a wonderful reputation for smooth feeding, but again, most of this reputation stems from their duty as full auto sub guns. Bent or out of spec feed lips will impede MANY rifles functioning.

Our rebuilt semi autos are going to take a little tweaking until the run almost as flawlessly as the originals. We are working with worn parts and used items for the most part now, after the rifle served for many decades with their owners.
 
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