Your MAX-11A1/15 is ready!

[LawBob]

Any comments on this from the MAX-11A1/15 manual. Is this a mandatory notification or just a recommendation?


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It says must. Maybe bc it’s a conversion to a rifle caliber. Dunno. I haven’t before with other conversions.

 

[m11stuff@hotmail.com]

This was included as part of the determination letter from BATFE regarding the MAX-11A1/15 and MAX-10/15. Their word was “must”. They did not retroactively require it for the MAX-11/15, but logic would dictate that it would make sense to do it for them as well.

This is not something we are going to argue with BATFE about.

 

[Gaujo]

Well that's new.

 

[LawBob]

Well that's new.

It says that Lage must include a note that says it must be sent.

 

[Homer]

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[LawBob]

It says that Lage must include a note that says it must be sent.

Dunno if there’s a violation if YOU don’t, but as a condition of the approval, Lage must include the note that you must.

 

[Galil#1]

Any comments on this from the MAX-11A1/15 manual. Is this a mandatory notification or just a recommendation?


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Does anyone already have a electronic Word version of this communist caca letter? Too lazy to re-type this tripe; however, will send it to the wannabe Puta Putin lovers.

 

[LawBob]

Make a photocopy and insert what you want cross out generic.
It don’t have to be purdy

 

[TSPC]

Here's a word doc.

View attachment ATF Notification Letter.doc

Does anyone already have a electronic Word version of this communist caca letter? Too lazy to re-type this tripe; however, will send it to the wannabe Puta Putin lovers.

 

[MACchat]

By way of the same logic, I don’t understand why this wouldn’t apply to any Lage upper that changes the OEM caliber, say .380 to 9mm...

And re: “temporarily changed,” can the change be permanent?

 

[Homer]

I imagine it is as LawBob suggested, because you are converting it from a hand gun round submachine gun to a rifle round machine gun.

 

[Galil#1]

Here's a word doc.

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Thank you TSPC!

Yep, they demand we jump = the power/threat of club Fed - priceless.

 

[Galil#1]

Make a photocopy and insert what you want cross out generic.
It don’t have to be purdy

Your right Sir...

 

[nklf]

It is probably just the BATFE trying to be a pain in the A**. But it makes no sense to me. You can make temporary caliber changes between pistol and rifle calibers with AR platform machineguns and the Styer Aug. And probably others that are not coming to mind at the moment. Admittedly HK sears back in the day were registered as multi caliber, but again you are changing between pistol and rifle calibers. If I was a conspiracy theorists (which I am not) I would argue that they are trying to create a registry of Lage Max **/15 uppers in case they decide to reverse their decision at some point in the future and declare them to me Firearms rather than a part. I think it is interesting that you "must" notify them before you attach the upper to a registered lower, but do not have to notify them if you own a Lage upper but have not attached it. It seems to me that possession of the Upper would be constructive intent to attach it and you would need to file the notice once you receive an upper rather than before you attach.

I am not paranoid, but I do not believe the BATFE is my friend either. When my number gets to the top of the list, I will order my Max**/15 upper and file the notice with BATFE, but I really think this is a bunch of BS on their part.

 

[LawBob]

cut and paste from the Lage site, via a pdf

ATF
National Firearms Act Division
244 Needy Road
Martinsburg, WV 25405

Dear Sirs,
I have a legally registered (insert manufacturer's name and model and serial number, eg: RPB M-11A1, S/N 0000001) machine gun in .380 ACP caliber.
I will be attaching a Lage Manufacturing, L.L.C. MAX-11A1/15 caliber conversion device to this machine gun. When the conversion device is attached, the caliber, barrel length and overall length will temporarily be changed to:

Caliber- 5.56 x 45mm
Change in Barrel length- 10-1/2"
Change in Overall Length- (enter your overall length from end of buttstock to end of barrel)
Sincerely yours,

(Sign your name)

Mail to:
ATF
National Firearms Act Division 244 Needy Road
Martinsburg, WV 25405

 

[LawBob]

I imagine it is as LawBob suggested, because you are converting it from a hand gun round submachine gun to a rifle round machine gun.

but see Max-11/15 that didn't (but that was pre-Biden).

 

[A&S Conversions]

For some background, I was traveling by air with my registered receiver machinegun to go to a subgun competition. Since I couldn't travel with the configuration on my Form 4, I called and asked my Examiner about it. He told me that I could measure the configuration that I was traveling with and fax it to him and he would enter it into the file. He also asked if I had other configurations. I told him I had many caliber and barrel length configurations. He suggested that I make a chart of all the different configurations that I had. So if questioned by Law Enforcement, the ATF could confirm the caliber, OAL, and barrel length configuration I had my RR in. Yes, changing an upper is not considered a permanent change, but notifying ATF of the confirmation of your registered receiver machinegun could be in, if Law Enforcement wishes to check, could save everyone some confusion.

Scott

 

[Galil#1]

For some background, I was traveling by air with my registered receiver machinegun to go to a subgun competition. Since I couldn't travel with the configuration on my Form 4, I called and asked my Examiner about it. He told me that I could measure the configuration that I was traveling with and fax it to him and he would enter it into the file. He also asked if I had other configurations. I told him I had many caliber and barrel length configurations. He suggested that I make a chart of all the different configurations that I had. So if questioned by Law Enforcement, the ATF could confirm the caliber, OAL, and barrel length configuration I had my RR in. Yes, changing an upper is not considered a permanent change, but notifying ATF of the confirmation of your registered receiver machinegun could be in, if Law Enforcement wishes to check, could save everyone some confusion.

Scott

O interesting Scott... can the same 'logic"/process apply to say... what's on a Form 4 f. Overall Length? Had to change an HK53A2 from prior listed length of 22.16" to 30.5" (BTW was going from a Form 3 to a Form 4.) Can be made into A3 collapsible stock config. in under 10 seconds... smh

 

[A&S Conversions]

I am just relating my experience. The same could be said about my Colt M16. Push two pins and remove the 20" 5.56X45 upper and install a DOE 9mm upper. That significantly changes the caliber, barrel, and overall length, quite a bit. An unknowledgeable Law Enforcement Officer sees that my registered receiver is very different from my paperwork. A quick call to ATF and everything is clarified. If I have notified the NFA Branch that I have such a configuration for my registered receiver. The Lage rifle caliber upper is vastly different from the factory configuration. Again with a notification to the NFA Branch of such a configuration, a conformation call, and any confusion of configuration is cleared up. Richard has passed on the information that ATF wants. Whether the buyer complies is up to them.

Scott

 

[Galil#1]

Yes indeedI I concur with ya Scott and Thank You Richard for your latest MAC innovation!