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    MACs becoming C&R

    Hi all,

    In advance, thank you for answering the question. As I am not well versed in C&R rules, the 1973 made MAC 10s are close to C&R age. Is this a blanket thing where every MAC becomes C&R? What if you put reinforcing tabs (seen on RPB guns) on a PS gun for preservation / prevention of egging? What about a drilled hole in the back of the receiver? Etc.

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    C&R or not, NFA rules apply and trump C&R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    C&R or not, NFA rules apply and trump C&R.
    Please clarify your thoughts, because in reality, having a C&R modifies, but obviously doesn't negate, the NFA transfer process. You can transfer a NFA item (with approved form) directly to a C&R holder across state lines without the need for a FFL/SOT middle-man. It also does trump NFA transportation permission requirements for C&R qualifying NFA items, so that a C&R holder may transport his C&R NFA items across state lines without a 5320.20. The post office, however, doesn't recognize a C&R FFL for C&R handgun shipping purposes other than for C&R handguns which meet the definition of antique firearms, so you won't be shipping a Mac out as a C&R via the USPS but you could receive it from a standard FFL.

    Note also that only each year of production will be classified as C&R at their respective 50 year marks, it doesn't apply to all MAC 10s on one single date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_saan View Post
    Please clarify your thoughts, because in reality, having a C&R modifies, but obviously doesn't negate, the NFA transfer process. You can transfer a NFA item (with approved form) directly to a C&R holder across state lines without the need for a FFL/SOT middle-man. It also does trump NFA transportation permission requirements for C&R qualifying NFA items, so that a C&R holder may transport his C&R NFA items across state lines without a 5320.20. The post office, however, doesn't recognize a C&R FFL for C&R handgun shipping purposes other than for C&R handguns which meet the definition of antique firearms, so you won't be shipping a Mac out as a C&R via the USPS but you could receive it from a standard FFL.

    Note also that only each year of production will be classified as C&R at their respective 50 year marks, it doesn't apply to all MAC 10s on one single date.
    Sounds like you know everything already.

    Go look up the thread from 2 weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    C&R or not, NFA rules apply and trump C&R.
    Incorrect. They complement. A big bonus is no need to use a 3rd party FFL for the transfer if purchasing out of state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    Sounds like you know everything already.

    Go look up the thread from 2 weeks ago.
    Please let me know which part of the above statement you disagree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhurst View Post
    Incorrect. They complement. A big bonus is no need to use a 3rd party FFL for the transfer if purchasing out of state.
    Yeah, we all agreed to that two weeks ago. Makes an out of state transaction like an in-state one. So you save a transfer fee. But there's still the form 4 which is the major PITA of NFA guns. I knew a silencer doesn't need a 5320, but didn't know a C&R machine gun doesn't either.

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