Vietnam Era FN Manufacture UZI's sourced by CIA via Interarms and supplied to MACV SOG and ARVN forces

[Captain Scarlet]

Hello,

Perhaps a segway to introduce myself. Found this forum researching Vietnam era UZIs.

I find the FN variant interesting. That's all.

Thank you for your vast Intel.

Teo

 

[Hey...]

Welcome!

The guy in plaid… I know what happens to him in a few minutes. Iconic photo.

 

[K2]

Yes. The FN with the small cocking knob. Easy to pick out in a crowd.

K2

 

[Captain Scarlet]

The South Vietnamese Police Officer has an interesting mag pouch. It looks neither German nor IDF. Maybe Belgium? The sling appears to be German or IDF. I would expect to see the M16 nylon sling or M1 Carbine.

 

[Captain Scarlet]

Anyone ever come across this pouch? Sterile. CIDG, CISO? MACV SOG?

 

[sniperdoc]

Welcome!
Firearms, especially SMGs, seem to be found in the most interesting places

 

[David van Lent]

Anyone ever come across this pouch? Sterile. CIDG, CISO? MACV SOG?

It’s is Greek. Post war Thompson pouches . US inspired

 

[Bushido]

The South Vietnamese Police Officer has an interesting mag pouch. It looks neither German nor IDF. Maybe Belgium? The sling appears to be German or IDF. I would expect to see the M16 nylon sling or M1 Carbine.

The pouch is from FN. it can be seen on page 119 in Gaboury’s excellent book.

 

[APEXgunparts]

Anyone ever come across this pouch? Sterile. CIDG, CISO? MACV SOG?

I believe this is the same pouch, showing more time in service use:

Thompson 30rd Magazine Pouch, OD Green, Greek

Richard

 

[Captain Scarlet]

The pouch is from FN. it can be seen on page 119 in Gaboury’s excellent book.

Another aspect to consider is the magazines issued in Vietnam. 32 rd vs 25? Likely both.

 

[Captain Scarlet]

I believe this is the same pouch, showing more time in service use:

Thompson 30rd Magazine Pouch, OD Green, Greek

Richard

APEX! My hero.

 

[Captain Scarlet]

It’s is Greek. Post war Thompson pouches . US inspired

Amazing. Saw these peddled as Special Forces, etc. Too funny.

 

[Captain Scarlet]

Cropped photos of the Saigon police UZI during Tet Offensive, February 1968.

 

[Galil#1]

Very good Full Metal Jacket (the 1987 movie) ish... "Anyone who runs is a VC. Anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined VC."

 

[Captain Scarlet]

Just received my copy of The Uzi Sub Machine Gun Examined by David Gaboury, and I am very pleased. Especially with his coverage of the FN Variants and US procurements during the 1960s.

 

[Captain Scarlet]

From Gaboury's book, I derived information to fabricate an IMI sling from a U.S. surplus map case shoulder strap. The leather keepers are so called m 1907 variety, which were too small for their original use, and a pair of matching friction buckles. End tabs are easy to salvage and re install with a vise.

 

[delta-10]

Nice work. That looks great.

 

[Operator45]

Anyone ever come across this pouch? Sterile. CIDG, CISO? MACV SOG?

Actually, they appear to be the Greek Alice pouches that sometimes show up on eBay and Gunbroker. Except new. Made for the Thompson / Grease Gun, but could be used for anything.......

OOPS, just read up the thread. You already knew that. (wink)

 

[Captain Scarlet]

Back to the subject at hand. Ah yes, the Belgian contract CIA procured UZI's. Gaboury raised an interesting point in his book on FN contract UZI's. Chapter 13. The FN - IMI licensing agreement of 1958. That license agreement allowed FN to manufacture all UZI parts except seven. Those seven parts had to be sourced from IMI.

What are the seven parts IMI provided FN? I read this chapter over and over. Perhaps the answer is hiding in plain sight? Help me.

 

[RoverDave]

What are the seven parts IMI provided FN? I read this chapter over and over. Perhaps the answer is hiding in plain sight? Help me.

It's not in the book because the engineers at IMI were unable to tell me which parts they were.